Sorry be posting 3 comments in a row but enough nonsense has been perpetrated here about conduction current being the only way that energy can move from A to B in space. Here is a very simple experiment measuring displacement current as equal to the conduction current but there are NO electrons moving across any gaps whatsoever:
And i suppose that if he removed the right half of the capacitor including its wire connection then he would have gotten an even stronger wave on the left part of the circuit (stronger than with the right side in place).
QuoteAnd i suppose that if he removed the right half of the capacitor including its wire connection then he would have gotten an even stronger wave on the left part of the circuit (stronger than with the right side in place).
Easy to suppose, but unless you can show that then "Here (1) & (2) support my new (electon) electricity" is just building on quicksand.
Hell, we can all do that. I suppose that if he removed the right side the left side would have doubled. No, tripled! Now just let me make up a theory to account for that...
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Your question: I don't know. That's what we are ultimately trying to determine, but at this point all we know is that there is an energy transfer. What form that energy takes is something to be figured out.
Hopefully you now agree there is energy transfer across that gap. If not, how can one side insert some and the other side use some? We are still not talking about how it transfers, only that there is a transfer.
How does that energy get there, as you say energy only flows in wires and not through a capacitor?
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Your question: I don't know. That's what we are ultimately trying to determine, but at this point all we know is that there is an energy transfer. What form that energy takes is something to be figured out.
Hopefully you now agree there is energy transfer across that gap. If not, how can one side insert some and the other side use some? We are still not talking about how it transfers, only that there is a transfer.
You are trying to determine that as for me is very clear. The energy is not transferred across the gap it is transferred in to capacitor so charge particles accumulate on one wire / plate and equal amount of charges leave the other wire / plate.
Sorry be posting 3 comments in a row but enough nonsense has been perpetrated here about conduction current being the only way that energy can move from A to B in space. Here is a very simple experiment measuring displacement current as equal to the conduction current but there are NO electrons moving across any gaps whatsoever:
1. I see that the induced wave on the left of the capacitor was stronger than on the right of the capacitor.
2. And i suppose that if he removed the right half of the capacitor including its wire connection then he would have gotten an even stronger wave on the left part of the circuit (stronger than with the right side in place).
3. Here (1) & (2) support my new (electon) electricity.
4. The electricity on the rhs of the capacitor is an (induced) electron electricity.
5. On the lhs its an electon electricity.
6. Tween the plates there is no electricity, no current, there is a radio signal, ie em radiaton, which induces an electron electric current on the rhs.
You're jumping ahead. Regardless of the how, energy is either transferred across or it is not. Didn't we agree that there is insertion of energy on one side and extraction of same on the other? So therefore energy MUST have been transferred. The only thing in doubt is the exact mechanism.
Are you now disputing this already agreed fact (that there is a transfer of energy from PSU to resistor)?
Since current is defined as flow of electric charged particles and since there are no electrons or ions traveling through that gap there is no energy transfer through that gap.
Energy is stored not transferred. Can you just not imagine energy being stored ?
If you say that there is no energy transfer across an air gap, then you must say that radio does not work, that wi-fi does not work, that cellphones do not work, that wireless charging does not work, that television does not work, in fact the whole modern world does not work. How can this be?
Some energy was observed to go from the source to the load, so some energy was transferred by definition. Some energy was transferred, some energy was stored.
The transferred energy cannot be the same as the stored energy, or there would be something for nothing. In fact, you would have invented a free energy device. Do you wish to claim free energy?
There are no particles exchanged between the two plates thus no energy passes through that gap.
The load in this case is just a conductor. If your main goal was to charge the capacitor then you will call this energy as lost.
There is absolutely no energy that is not accounted for. You seems to be the ones that try to ignore stored energy.
When you charge a capacitor from a source the energy provided by the source will be equal with stored energy and energy loss on the wire.
When you discharge that stored energy you get the same loss again with current flow in the opposite direction.
You will have a problem adding some extra energy that crosses the gap as there is nothing more than stored and lost on the wire coming from the source.
There are no particles exchanged between the two plates thus no energy passes through that gap.
If no energy passes through that gap then radio does not work, wi-fi does not work, cellphones do not work, wireless charging does not work, television does not work. All of those require energy to cross the gap.
All of these comments apply to charge, not energy.
If you talk about electrical charge, then everything is fine.
a) Is electrical energy the integral over time of electrical power ?
b) Is electrical power the product of electrical potential and electrical current?
c) Is electrical current defined as a flow of electrical charged particles? In this particular cases we are discussing flow of electrons.
Let me know if you answer as No on any of the 3 questions above.
a) Not always
b) Not always
c) Not always
You're jumping ahead. Regardless of the how, energy is either transferred across or it is not. Didn't we agree that there is insertion of energy on one side and extraction of same on the other? So therefore energy MUST have been transferred. The only thing in doubt is the exact mechanism.
Are you now disputing this already agreed fact (that there is a transfer of energy from PSU to resistor)?
Energy is stored not transferred. Can you just not imagine energy being stored ?
Even after you disconnect the battery there will still be energy stored in there and if you close the circuit by connecting a wire in the place of the battery current from capacitor will flow now in the opposite direction and all that stored energy will be doing work while capacitor is discharged.
I don't dispute that a capacitor can store energy. As can a battery, and many other things. But that isn't relevant here - what is relevant is that there is a input on one side and an output on the other. The bits inbetween are a black box, and all we know is that there is no continuous transfer, but there is some.
So, are you disputing that the energy input on one side causes the transfer that allows consumption on the other side?
I don't dispute that a capacitor can store energy. As can a battery, and many other things. But that isn't relevant here - what is relevant is that there is a input on one side and an output on the other. The bits inbetween are a black box, and all we know is that there is no continuous transfer, but there is some.
So, are you disputing that the energy input on one side causes the transfer that allows consumption on the other side?
You need to have a circuit so obviously that as many electrons will exit on one side of the battery as they enter the other side else there is just no energy transfer.
You can not just connect one terminal of the battery say the negative to a circuit and expect electrons to flow. You need a complete loop for that.