EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Kjelt]

What iceberg?  Who's sinking?
The orchestra's still playing, so everything must be ok!   
Just one question .... where are the lifeboats?

You give batteriser too much credit, this is not a titanic company, more an inflatable rowingboat which is leaking air and making water 

[ccs46]

The question is... who or what will sink it? Who is going to be that magical iceberg will hit?

What iceberg?  Who's sinking?

The orchestra's still playing, so everything must be ok!   


Just one question .... where are the lifeboats?

And there may not be enough, someone is going to the bottom.


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[Fungus]

I disagree. I think many people will be so excited about owning a world-changing technology they'll instantly grab a flashlight (or whatever) and test how long it runs. They've drunk the advertising kool-aid, they'll be expecting it to go for at least a week.

And I have to disagree with that.  The general public (not the engineering crowd) would put these into their remotes, clocks, cordless mice, whatever and then convince themselves that they worked because batteries in those things don't die in a timeframe that's easily measurable.

And I disagree. A lot of Batterisers will have been bought by bloggers and people who genuinely get through a lot of batteries.

More importantly, they will convince themselves that they actually do work because they spent good money of them.  These are probably the same people that continually buy into the infomercial crap on TV.  I would be highly surprised if any of them do any kind of quantitative measurements at all.  Why would they?  They saw the video where the GPS unit lasted 5 times as long!  There's your proof.

Batteriser is much more objective than abdominal exercisers, etc. With most infomercial products it's very easy for people to blame themselves for not following the rules, not doing it every day, etc.

[Barny]

Within a week or two of shipping, there will be a huge database of products with before/after testing.
It needs to be done right though.
The real test is not so much with and without batteriser, it's without batteriser, and then how much extra time the product gets with the Batteriser on those "dead" batteries.
This is the when their whole 800% BS will come crashing down. It'll be a few 10's of percent at best with most products, with many (majority?) in the single digit percentage if not negative.
And that's if the product even works reliably and fits, which they have had problems on the prototype units with.

How can it be negative? If the bare battery is "dead" and it still doesn't work any longer with the batteriser attached, that would be 0% at worst, but not negative.

McBryce.

But only, when you put the Butteriser on emty cells.
If you put the Butteriser on fresh cells, there is a high chance to get negative.
Specially if you use it in an remote, clock or other low power device.

[McBryce]

Within a week or two of shipping, there will be a huge database of products with before/after testing.
It needs to be done right though.
The real test is not so much with and without batteriser, it's without batteriser, and then how much extra time the product gets with the Batteriser on those "dead" batteries.
This is the when their whole 800% BS will come crashing down. It'll be a few 10's of percent at best with most products, with many (majority?) in the single digit percentage if not negative.
And that's if the product even works reliably and fits, which they have had problems on the prototype units with.

How can it be negative? If the bare battery is "dead" and it still doesn't work any longer with the batteriser attached, that would be 0% at worst, but not negative.

McBryce.

But only, when you put the Butteriser on emty cells.
If you put the Butteriser on fresh cells, there is a high chance to get negative.
Specially if you use it in an remote, clock or other low power device.

Yes, and now read again what Dave said: "The real test is not so much with and without batteriser, it's without batteriser, and then how much extra time the product gets with the Batteriser on those "dead" batteries.
This is the when their whole 800% BS will come crashing down. It'll be a few 10's of percent at best with most products, with many (majority?) in the single digit percentage if not negative."

McBryce.

[lpickup]

And I disagree. A lot of Batterisers will have been bought by bloggers and people who genuinely get through a lot of batteries.

If there are even 1000 bloggers out of the 7400 or so that backed the project I would be highly surprised.  I think the number of bloggers and people that bought it to debunk it is probably in the 50-100 range.  I have to think that people that are intelligent and motivated enough to do an A-B comparison (but didn't buy into it specifically to debunk it) would see that the product was BS in the first place and not waste their money.  But hey, I'm just speculating here.  I could be completely wrong.

[Kean]

The next update will of course include the obligatory "well earned xmas break" message, and "we are now hard back at work delivering the best possible quality product for you".
And if they hang out long enough, the good'ol reliable Chinese new year is Feb 8th-15th or so 

And if they can last beyond mid Feb, the next excuse will probably be about a shortage of staff at the factory after Chinese New Year because workers didn't return after visiting their home town.  Seen these excuses trotted out time and time again...

[Fungus]

And I disagree. A lot of Batterisers will have been bought by bloggers and people who genuinely get through a lot of batteries.

If there are even 1000 bloggers out of the 7400 or so that backed the project I would be highly surprised.  I think the number of bloggers and people that bought it to debunk it is probably in the 50-100 range.  I have to think that people that are intelligent and motivated enough to do an A-B comparison (but didn't buy into it specifically to debunk it) would see that the product was BS in the first place and not waste their money.  But hey, I'm just speculating here.  I could be completely wrong.

It's moot. They aren't going to deliver anything. "Delivery" isn't in the plan.

[mikerj]

Yes, and now read again what Dave said: "The real test is not so much with and without batteriser, it's without batteriser, and then how much extra time the product gets with the Batteriser on those "dead" batteries.
This is the when their whole 800% BS will come crashing down. It'll be a few 10's of percent at best with most products, with many (majority?) in the single digit percentage if not negative."

McBryce.

If you get a low battery warning, fit batterisers and the product no longer works that would be a negative gain wouldn't it?

[Chipguy]

Guys is it me getting old or were the much more pages on this thread, like 260 instead of 160?
 

[meeder]

Guys is it me getting old or were the much more pages on this thread, like 260 instead of 160?
 

Depends on browser settings I guess. I use the tapatalk app and it shows 408 pages

[g.lewarne]

Guys is it me getting old or were the much more pages on this thread, like 260 instead of 160?
 

Depends on browser settings I guess. I use the tapatalk app and it shows 408 pages

yup, the web based forum (with default posts-per-page setting) was up to 292, and now we are at 160.  Guess Dave or another mod had a clearout

[jippie]

Guys is it me getting old or were the much more pages on this thread, like 260 instead of 160?
 

Earlier today I was at page 263, now I'm at page 163, it's not you.

Maybe the server got batterised, and we're tapping into the 80% unused posts per page?

[lpickup]

yup, the web based forum (with default posts-per-page setting) was up to 292, and now we are at 160.  Guess Dave or another mod had a clearout

or the Batteroo guys somehow broke in and did their post deletion trick!

[Chipguy]

Guys is it me getting old or were the much more pages on this thread, like 260 instead of 160?
 

Depends on browser settings I guess. I use the tapatalk app and it shows 408 pages

yup, the web based forum (with default posts-per-page setting) was up to 292, and now we are at 160.  Guess Dave or another mod had a clearout

25 messages per page times 163 pages makes 4075 messages.
This does about match the reply number in the header of each message.
Only explaination is that the pages contained 15 messages before, now 25.
I never noticed, and they don't look too long to me as they are now.

[PA0PBZ]

Only explaination is that the pages contained 15 messages before, now 25.

Yep, the default was recently changed.

[Chipguy]

Only explaination is that the pages contained 15 messages before, now 25.

Yep, the default was recently changed.

Yup, my conclusion as well. The number of replies fit the number of messages times the number of pages.

[EEVblog]

25 messages per page times 163 pages makes 4075 messages.
This does about match the reply number in the header of each message.
Only explaination is that the pages contained 15 messages before, now 25.

Correct. The setting was changed in the forum software, as mentioned in another thread. No posts have been deleted.

[Delta]

25 messages per page times 163 pages makes 4075 messages.
This does about match the reply number in the header of each message.
Only explaination is that the pages contained 15 messages before, now 25.

Correct. The setting was changed in the forum software, as mentioned in another thread. No posts have been deleted.

Boooooooo!

Don't let facts and reality get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!

[McBryce]

Yes, and now read again what Dave said: "The real test is not so much with and without batteriser, it's without batteriser, and then how much extra time the product gets with the Batteriser on those "dead" batteries.
This is the when their whole 800% BS will come crashing down. It'll be a few 10's of percent at best with most products, with many (majority?) in the single digit percentage if not negative."

McBryce.

If you get a low battery warning, fit batterisers and the product no longer works that would be a negative gain wouldn't it?

Yes, but low battery isn't dead. Dead is when the device no longer turns on.

McBryce.

[mikerj]

Yes, but low battery isn't dead. Dead is when the device no longer turns on.

McBryce.

But many people would change the batteries at that point.

[McBryce]

Of course, but that's not what Dave suggested as a sensible test of the Batterisers capabilities. Which is what I was originally commenting on.

McBryce.

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