EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Halcyon]

You can't be certain about that until you actually send a complete email. Quite a lot of SMTP servers are nowadays configured to always say OK at that stage even if the address isn't valid to prevent using that as a mechanism for scanning for valid email addresses to build spam address lists from.

I'm aware of this, which is why I also sent a message to it from a temporary e-mail address. It didn't bounce. Probably should have mentioned it.

Of course this doesn't mean that he still works there (but probably a good chance he does). His e-mail could just redirect to someone else. We used to do it all the time with users who left my previous company, just in case we missed something important.

[R005T3r]

We never believed Batteroo had manufactured many units so when they say they're going to ship some of their existing Batteriser branded inventory, I assume they mean all of it or all they can within a certain timeframe (see below).
I've just read the filing from Energizer's lawsuit where they are seeking damages. It is interesting reading. They deny they ever sought to stop batteroo from shipping existing inventory
Highlights for me were:

• During the trademark negotiations, Energizer offered a 6 month phase out period so existing inventory wouldn't get scrapped.
• Energiser’s Opposition sought only denial of Batteroo’s trademark applications and could not have resulted in an injunction against sales of BATTERISER products.
• Batteroo agreed to send Energizer a sample unit after it shipped to consumers, expected March 2016. It has not yet shipped one to them.
  
• Energizer quotes bateroo Facebook post as deceptively claiming Energizer was blocking shipping.
• Repeated claims that Batteroo was not ready to ship throughout the entire trademark negotiation process.

Choice quotes:

46. On information and belief, Batteroo still did not have a viable production run of its
product prior to or during the Opposition proceeding. Batteroo recently sent an email message to customers, notifying them that Batteroo would be changing the name of the BATTERISER product as a result of the Opposition filed by Energizer. In the message, Batteroo attempted to use Energizer’s Opposition as an excuse for further delays, falsely implying that Energizer was responsible for Batteroo’s product delays. The message also falsely implies that Energizer prohibited distribution of already manufactured goods.

This is certainly  worthy!
Batteroo are playing with fire and they'll get burned. I wouldn't piss off Energizer.

The whole Energizer document reads like this thread, but written in legal english. I wonder if this thread was a handy chronology for their lawyers.
Edit to add: The pdf is at http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/307r4n75a/missouri-eastern-district-court/energizer-brands-llc-v-batteroo-inc/

No doubt they are reading this thread. Imagine the lawyer hours just reading this massive thread for evidence. It'd be in the tens of thousands of dollars.

If I would them I woudn't have brought in a shipwreck a university professor from a reputable university! To get discredited by the scientific community IS much worse to get an argument with you...

[g.lewarne]

Does anyone have their batterooizer yet? we must be getting close to their 4-6 weeks delivery time they promised

[madires]

Yes, almost time for the next excuse.

[rich]

Well, 27 days ago they estimated 4 to 8 weeks for indigo/pre-orders shipments to happen - so they have an upper bound of 29th September before they need to ship to customer or find a new delay story.

They also said by Aug 22nd they will begin shipping TO their distribution centres. No fanfare update to say that ever happened. However, on Aug 22nd they tweeted photos of the Frost & Sullivan 2015 award ceremony instead!

[Delta]

Excuse sweepstake time then!

[Godzil]

I can't wait to see the first one shipped!

[ruffy91]

I can't wait to see the first one shipped!

Can't wait too. I'm not living long enough.

[EEVblog]

Does anyone have their batterooizer yet?

Nope, and that's the thing.
They promised those media test kit versions eon's ago, and have not shipped a single one. If they were the least bit serious about repairing their shattered reputation, and actually believed in their product, then they would have shipped those as a priority. They could have instructed the media not to show or mention the Batteriser name.
Heck, they could have engaged me and other critical bloggers directly and offered one to test under those conditions. If the results were good then that would turn them into hero's overnight.

Also, they promised eons ago to release technical data and test results, and of course they to this day have not released a single thing except for the doctored GPS test which has been proved was a sham.

Because of all this you can almost be certain that they know their product does not perform as claimed.

[ez24]

I can't wait to see the first one shipped!

You will get moon rocks first.

[firewalker]

As comment on IGG says: Batterpoo!!! 

Alexander.

[EEVblog]

And the first thing that will be done by someone no doubt if the product ever ships is to finally blow this ridiculous UL report out of the water:
http://batteriser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Batteriser_ULReport_GPSDevice.pdf

I know it's already been done, but it will be sweet to watch it on the real product.

[SL4P]

And the poo brothers are singing to each other... "Sticks and stones..."

[EEVblog]

Hey, when did Batteriser change the Youtube "fan" page to "Batteriser Official" ?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEhORLPHDXF7laO-yeoZFIA

And comments have been disabled on all videos.

[Brumby]

And comments have been disabled on all videos.

No surprise there.

[samgab]

Here's some interesting news:
All references to the "Batteriser" moniker have been removed from their website:
http://www.changedetection.com/log/batteriser/index_log2.html
It's been completely replaced with "Batteroo" now.
Even the image of the sleeve now has "Batteroo" etched/cutout/(photoshopped?) onto it instead of Batteriser.

[EEVblog]

Here's some interesting news:

That's not news, they were forced to do this because they lost their trademark on the name, it was in their last update.

[samgab]

Yes, but they only just changed the website, removing the name today, finally!

[EEVblog]

Yes, but they only just changed the website, removing the name today, finally!

Oh, ok.
They'd better change their official Youtube channel!

[PeterL]

Hey, when did Batteriser change the Youtube "fan" page to "Batteriser Official" ?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEhORLPHDXF7laO-yeoZFIA

And comments have been disabled on all videos.

It's not a change, the fan page still exists:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

However they did delete their 'goBatteriser' Twitter account and created a new 'goBatteroo' one.
Seems like they are converting at the slowest possible rate. For instance on their website the frontpage is now all about batteroo, but once you click 'pre-order' it's Batteriser again.

[Macbeth]

Hmm, Energizer® gave Batteriser a beatdown but what about the bovine sourced fertilizer brand Cattlepoo® The Batteroo brothers really have a lot of shit on their plate. 

[Godzil]

They just forget one thing:



 

(look at the bottom of the new batteroo dot co website)

[EEVblog]

Hey, when did Batteriser change the Youtube "fan" page to "Batteriser Official" ?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEhORLPHDXF7laO-yeoZFIA

And comments have been disabled on all videos.

It's not a change, the fan page still exists:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

Ah, interesting.
I wonder how they got all those views so quickly?

[Delta]

Ah, interesting.
I wonder how they got all those views so quickly?

Vietnamese botnets. 

[ez24]

Ah, interesting.
I wonder how they got all those views so quickly?

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