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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6700 on: November 29, 2016, 02:55:13 am »
If anything, I'd say *he's* the one that's been antagonistic, from the start in fact.
I hope he does send you a unit.

He won't, because you can't let it go and are doing it again  :palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6701 on: November 29, 2016, 02:56:40 am »
Another landed. I'm a little confused by what he means about "shouldn't be anonymous"


First report of AAA units.
I've sent him a message.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6702 on: November 29, 2016, 03:03:19 am »
And yet some are ready to be all mellow and pay 100 USD to keep the circus going. Hardly an example.

Again I have made an offer to Wayne, see if he takes it.

He said he might have sent me some originally if he hadn't have seen the personal attacks on the forum, so thanks everyone who did that.
Not like people have been attacking/doxxing Bob and others involved personally for ages in this thread without it being a problem to anyone. Now that they need Wayne, it's a mean thing to do.

"Bob might have sent some for review to journalists had you not been a big meanie in your debunking video so thanks for that" would be an equally stupid statement.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6703 on: November 29, 2016, 03:10:14 am »
Not like people have been attacking/doxxing Bob and others involved personally for ages in this thread without it being a problem to anyone. Now that they need Wayne, it's a mean thing to do.
"Bob might have sent some for review to journalists had you not been a big meanie in your debunking video so thanks for that" would be an equally stupid statement.

The apples & oranges award of the day goes to Koen.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6704 on: November 29, 2016, 03:25:27 am »
Must change you from giving awards to yourself. This circus of a thread was all fine with you until you needed Wayne.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6705 on: November 29, 2016, 03:29:06 am »
"My suggestion: Put your big girl panties on and let's keep focussed on the real subject here - the Batteroo sleeve."
Thanks Brumby, I agree with you.

I have been following this thread for too long, I guess I can follow a little longer.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6706 on: November 29, 2016, 04:02:41 am »
I'm assuming the 800mAh ones I found on Banggood are utter bullshit, seeing as how all the rest are a more reasonable 400mAh. Now, as long as the truly are the proper 9V size so they fit in my device, these are by far the best option. Higher capacity than any of the older rechargeable types. A huge complaint is how these devices (it's a wireless handheld throttle control fro model railroads) chew through batteries. These could be the sort of thing needed, IF they fit - as I said, the battery space is very tight and some brands of NiMH and NiCad batteries simply do not fit.

If you don't mind buying a charger, regular "9V" 2 cell Li-ions are much better than the USB chargeable batteries.  I recently tested some EBL brand, and they deliver 600mAh as advertised.  The dimensions are fine too.

I would expect the USB recharge 9V batteries to use one cell taking up half the space, with the rest of it used for the charger and boost converter.  The capacity should be 300mAh minus boost converter losses.  If they used a larger cell that took up 2/3 of the space, I suppose they might get 400mAh.  You are right that 800mAh is impossible.

P.S. Sorry for the non-Batteroo post.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6707 on: November 29, 2016, 04:12:02 am »
Be sure to listen to Gumby and Pokie.(my avatar)
Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6708 on: November 29, 2016, 04:42:26 am »
Must change you from giving awards to yourself. This circus of a thread was all fine with you until you needed Wayne.

It would seem you don't understand the reasoning for giving you that award - which is a shame in itself - however, seeing that the significance of it is also lost is the greater disappointment.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6709 on: November 29, 2016, 04:59:37 am »
Enlighten me then.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6710 on: November 29, 2016, 05:00:30 am »
This thread is epic. Its nearly it's own forum.

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6711 on: November 29, 2016, 05:04:35 am »
Enlighten me then.

You don't see it?

Wayne's involvement is hardly comparable to that of Bob and Co.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6712 on: November 29, 2016, 05:07:34 am »
I knew this would be your reply. Thus this behaviour is acceptable depending on the involvement of the person in the project ? So had Wayne been the official distributor in Australia at the moment of his big reveal, he would have been worthy of it ?

No, no one deserves it. And I'm sure we all agree on it.

What I'm pointing at is the hypocrisy of tolerating it when the person targeted is of no interest to you while suddenly asking for respect and higher moral when suddenly the target does. And to sound deep and wise too : "you can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him".
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6713 on: November 29, 2016, 05:24:11 am »
Context is a marvellous thing, especially when it is ignored in an attempt to make a 'point'.

Wayne has no responsibilities to anyone regarding the Batteroo sleeve.  Bob does, yet both were given curry.  Bob deserves it, Wayne doesn't.  No double standards in that.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6714 on: November 29, 2016, 05:27:47 am »
Bob deserves it, Wayne doesn't.  No double standards in that.
I'll stop here but before, I'll invite you to read this quote of yours again in a few days, weeks or years.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6715 on: November 29, 2016, 05:54:14 am »
Keep it in context - and I'll be happy with that.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6716 on: November 29, 2016, 05:56:47 am »
... but I've got a bet going with myself on a future response from you.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6717 on: November 29, 2016, 05:59:06 am »
Now - back to Bob and Batteroo...
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6718 on: November 29, 2016, 06:16:43 am »
G’day Tossers – it’s me again. (I know I said I would not comment here again but I have some important news to share with you). There may actually be a meaningful benefit for the Batteriser / Batteroo sleeve.

But first, I have been reading all the comments and now realise that there are actually 4 very different types of people on this forum.
1.   Complete tossers.
2.   Semi tossers.
3.   Non tossers.
4.   Observers who don’t get involved (the smart ones)
Sorry if I lumped you all in the same basket previously. I’ll let you self analyse as to which category you fit into.

I have been way too busy to do any lengthy testing but I did manage to do a short experiment with the Batterisers last night. It was unconventional and there are no specific statistics or charts to analyse but it did produce some positive results. The test was based on trial and error and detailed observations.

The object of the exercise was not to work out whether the Batteriser extended the life of the batteries but more whether it could enhance and increase the performance of the batteries over a fixed period of time.

4 batteries were used (the device uses 2 x AA batteries in a corded remote).
2 x partially discharged batteries – (1 at 1.19 volts) – (1 at 1.21 volts).
2 x brand new batteries – (1 at 1.51 volts) – (1 at 1.53 volts).

Test 1. (Exactly 5 minutes on each stage).

Stage 1 - I inserted the 2 partially discharged batteries and turned the device on to full speed. It was in the palm of my hand and it vibrated at a regular speed but was not very strong.

Stage 2 – I used the same batteries but with the Batteriser this time. The level of vibration increased quite significantly. (I guess due to the voltage boost)

Stage 3 – I inserted the 2 x new batteries on their own and repeated. The level of vibration seemed to be very similar to that of Stage 2.

Stage 4 – I used the same batteries but with the Batteriser this time. The level of vibration increased very significantly. (In fact the bloody thing kept wanting to jump off my hand).

Obviously, this was not a very scientific test and the results are based purely on my own opinions and observations, so I decided to get a second opinion.

I have a female assistant (who shall remain nameless) who is very objective and always provides honest and reliable opinions and feedback.

Test 2. (Timing on each stage varied a bit).
 
Stages 1 to 4 were duplicated in sequence with and without Batterisers.

She confirmed my previous observations on the levels of vibration in each stage.
In her opinion, Stage 4 is where you would want to use the Batteriser on every occasion. In fact, she definitely wants a set of Batterisers for herself!

For your reference the device was a butterfly shaped, multi speed vibrating sex toy (similar to the one that was purportedly used in the “When Harry Met Sally” movie restaurant scene).

My Conclusions:

This would not be of much interest to your average electrical engineer who is more focused on the in depth technical aspects of how devices work and how to measure and record their statistics.

It begs the question – is duration or performance more important in a battery? It depends on the requirements of the particular device, market and consumer.

For example: What’s the biggest market in the world for portable battery operated devices – the adult products market. Would they be interested in a device that enhances the performances in a range of their items? Quite likely.

Remember, there’s always 2 sides to every story – try not to get obsessed and hung up on a particular aspect that stops you from seeing the big picture.

Does this mean that Batteriser works as claimed? Not necessarily, it will take more actual testing to prove it one way or another.

One thing's for sure, I'm going to keep repeating this experiment to confirm the results are in fact accurate - you know the saying "measure twice - cut once".

Anyway, I’m out of here. This is definitely the last time I comment on here.
(In fact Dave, can you please permanently delete my registration)
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6719 on: November 29, 2016, 06:20:36 am »
Thanks Wayne, very funny.  I love it.

Batterisers and Viagra go together.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6720 on: November 29, 2016, 06:25:34 am »
Interesting test.
The test confirmed what we here at this forum agreed a long time ago, Batteriser do work as a DC-to-DC boost converter
(A point that nobody of us doubted anyway in the first place).
In the case of this particular test, it might be the 'niche' use case where you want constant voltage albeit at a much faster drain rate
(depends on when the 'finish' line is, I guess  :-DD)

It's too bad Wayne's not going to be involved anymore, as I don't think we're going to catch any other specimen of Batteroo in the wild... time will tell I guess
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6721 on: November 29, 2016, 06:34:26 am »
Anyway, I’m out of here. This is definitely the last time I comment on here.
(In fact Dave, can you please permanently delete my registration)

I hope not - you are too funny to go away.     :-+
Sorry about the trailer thing.

 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6722 on: November 29, 2016, 06:35:01 am »
Thank you Wayne for that 'outside the box' thinking.  Put a smile on my dial, too.


It begs the question – is duration or performance more important in a battery?


In all seriousness, a very interesting question. 

But being less serious ... Maybe Bob will leverage this new angle ... perhaps there might be a new name on the horizon: Batteroot.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6723 on: November 29, 2016, 08:38:05 am »
Oy vey to Wayne's "last" post.  I'll step out of my Observer role and spoil all the good will he's being accorded.   He's comes off as a dick (yeah, the kind you put batteries into).  Sorry, that tosser labeling is too much.  Back to being an Observer....
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #6724 on: November 29, 2016, 08:47:24 am »
G’day Tossers – it’s me again.

Oi! What about us non tossers and observers?

...
For your reference the device was a butterfly shaped, multi speed vibrating sex toy (similar to the one that was purportedly used in the “When Harry Met Sally” movie restaurant scene).
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This would not be of much interest to your average electrical engineer who is more focused on the in depth technical aspects of how devices work and how to measure and record their statistics.
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On the contrary. We very much want to know the make and model of the device, so that we can get one and measure how much current it draws. One of the "bones of contention" that people are chewing on is the amount of current a Batteriser can supply before the output voltage starts to drop. It'd be really good if you could measure that for us...
 


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