EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Fungus]

It seems the Batteriser CEO is going to claim in this newspaper article that I'm working for Duracell 

Were you also paid by Big Coal to do the solar roadway videos?

How about that time you said something bad about a Sony camera? Was that because Canon was paying you?

[drws]

Why does the UL report use different fonts from page 1 to page 2?
It just doesn't look right. It looks like someone inserted a different page in it.

[ez24]

It seems the Batteriser CEO is going to claim in this newspaper article that I'm working for Duracell 



How on earth can the investors let this farce go on?

I wondered what company you worked for ever since you mentioned in one of your videos that you were being sponsored by a company.  I guess it is in the detail of "working" or being "sponsored".  But it does not bother me. Unfortunately I cannot find the video.  Maybe someone remembers it and can post it.

[Fungus]

Can we make sure Ms. Reporter gets to see the unsigned, undated UL 'report' in all its glory?

[LabSpokane]

That is the most embarrassing technical report I've ever read in my life, it doesn't even have the date on it 

That's what you send a client at 4:57 on Friday afternoon to make them shut up and go away. Nobody at UL even wanted their name associated with Batteroo, quite obviously. It's pretty obvious from all the caveats, that UL operated the fixture as requested, but is fairly certain the results are garbage.

Getting an actual test report, which wasn't signed by the tester and or the lab director is *really* unusual. We get test results that cost $200-300 USD per test from qualified labs and every one is signed, dated, etc.  That UL test had to cost a couple grand and nobody would sign.   

[5ky]

"Test is terminated when one of the following occurs: either GPS unit shuts down completely or until the GPS unit displays a Low Battery Power message."

 

Did UL actually test it?  There is no low battery message until those cells are DRAINED.  It's like they took the first sheet from the UL report (for some other testing), and then appended two more pages that were 100% fabricated by batteroo to make it appear as if the first UL page is related to the following pages.

[Fungus]

Did UL actually test it?

UL obviously didn't write page 2, Batteroo supplied that page.

[NoItAint]

Big Battery had a big chuckle about this.
So much so, he leaked a little 

[Wytnucls]

Duracell CEO: 'We have to make them bigger now, because you're only using 20% of capacity'.

[AmmoJammo]

Why does the UL report use different fonts from page 1 to page 2?
It just doesn't look right. It looks like someone inserted a different page in it.

Why does it have a third page, just to tell you the page is blank? 

[Mr.B]

Just to make sure there is a permanent copy of the    report...
Uploaded PDF below.

PS: Thanks Dave, 5ky, Jay_Diddy_B and others for providing all of the educational evidence.
It has been fascinating following this...

[Fungus]

Btw: this is how a proper UL report looks like:

Yep. That's more like I'd expect from UL - names, dates, signatures.

The Batteriser 'report' looks/feels like somebody at UL is being blackmailed owes a favor. I bet if you showed it to UL upper management they'd toss it out the window

Anybody have contacts at UL...?

[AmmoJammo]

You can open the PDF file in a text editor (notepad) and I believe see who it was created by, and on what date...

The date appears to be the 11th of this month.. of course, I could be completely wrong... but that's after they posted the screenshot of the report...

But as I said, I couldn't barking up the wrong tree.

[Wytnucls]

BATTERISER INC
310 De Guigne Dr.
Sunnyvale, CA 94085

I thought the company was called Batteroo.

'SKTA Innopartners is pleased to welcome Batteroo, Inc. into the Innovation Accelerator in Sunnyvale. Specializing in cutting-edge power management technology, Batteroo is poised to revolutionize the performance of conventional batteries in consumer devices. Batteroo marks the first SKTA portfolio company to enter the consumer market.'

By the way, that address is just free office space at SKTA. (Spell checker not included)

[EEVblog]

It's still there as I write this: "UL, one of the oldest and most prestigious Labs, has performed independent Performance testing of a Garmin Golf GPS with and without Batteriser showing approx. 600% life extension"

For the record:

[AmmoJammo]

The file seems to have been created on the 11th, while they uploaded their screenshot on the 5th or so?

[Fungus]

BATTERISER INC
310 De Guigne Dr.
Sunnyvale, CA 94085

I thought the company was called Batteroo.

It is ... good call!

[Fungus]

The file seems to have been created on the 11th, while they uploaded their screenshot on the 5th or so?

This gets better by the minute. 

I've just contacted UL via. the "report a concern" link on their web page.

I'm concerned about the total lack of names and dates on that 'report' - no accountability or traceability doesn't seem very "UL" to me.

[Mr.B]

The file seems to have been created on the 11th, while they uploaded their screenshot on the 5th or so?

I cannot find any record of a "Rene Moreno" at UL... The apparent author of the document.
Also, Google search tops "Rene Moreno" for me as an actor... go figure...
Batteriser - "Just an act".

[f4eru]

These guys should really learn how to fake reports properly. What a joke.

[AmmoJammo]

The file seems to have been created on the 11th, while they uploaded their screenshot on the 5th or so?

I cannot find any record of a "Rene Moreno" at UL... The apparent author of the document.
Also, Google search tops "Rene Moreno" for me as an actor... go figure...
Batteriser - "Just an act".

I do like how they titled the document "Month Day Year"

Very professional!

[Halcyon]

Just about everything Batteroo/Batteriser, Roohparvar and others have claimed just smells of scam. I bet you on a date already chosen by them, they'll be packing their bags with investor money and claiming the company is insolvent. Just another notch in the "serial entrepreneur's" belt.

[Mr.B]

The file seems to have been created on the 11th, while they uploaded their screenshot on the 5th or so?

I cannot find any record of a "Rene Moreno" at UL... The apparent author of the document.
Also, Google search tops "Rene Moreno" for me as an actor... go figure...
Batteriser - "Just an act".

I do like how they titled the document "Month Day Year"

Very professional!

Yip... All professional labs do that if you pay the extra for the service called "Open dated document"...

[gore]

The UL report has got to be a joke. You click for the full report on their website and it gives you 3 pdf pages, one of which is a blank. The other one we've already seen before. Where's that data? No tables, no curves, no signatures or dates...

[AmmoJammo]

The UL report has got to be a joke. You click for the full report on their website and it gives you 3 pdf pages, one of which is a blank. The other one we've already seen before. Where's that data? No tables, no curves, explanations, no signatures or dates...

Its not blank! It clearly has printed on it "THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK"