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Offline rrinker

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5500 on: June 01, 2016, 12:01:55 pm »
... or even a final pre-production prototype ... ANYTHING!

 If only such an animal actually existed.....

 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5501 on: June 05, 2016, 07:16:13 pm »

As an ex-journo I find this interesting and/or disturbing.

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The question for me is, evidenced by the type of actions such as CNet's described above, where are the journalistic ethics that I have seen played out in the past and what can be done to restore them? We had our ethics because we felt it was our job to serve the readers and they were largely self-policed as part of our own journo culture and ethos. Thus they were largely invisible to outsiders except in the quality of the work we produced. The quality of the work produced by CNet and others who have uncritically endorsed Batteroo, Triton et al indicates that there is a fundamental problem with the ethics and ethos of, at least some, online tech news outlets.


Hello there. I actually registered here to answer this.

Me, I'm a journalist, too. I have run some IT magazines here in Russia, most of them pretty local, but you may know the likes of Official Playstation and Official Windows/PC Plus Magazines Russian Edition (licensed from the British Future plc). I was an editor-in-chief and I did have to deal with advertising department a lot. You are perfectly right: yes, in those times we did manage to find an acceptable solution with the advertising people all the time. Because they were able to understand that we can not sale our reputation.

The reason for the printed media is pretty simple: you publish bullshit, everyone will remember and will shove it in your face later. I'm an editor-in-chief, I'm responsible for this. That is why in my magazines at least two people read every article before it was published - an editor and a proof-reafer. Even if it was written by me. I can make mistakes, no one is mistake proof.

Nowadays in all this online media - fact-checking? Proof-reading? You kidding? We must publish it NOW! We can always edit or delete it later. That's why people who can write a wall of text in an hour are in demand now. Sure, the text will be a total crap, but who cares? No one can afford normal journalists that need at least a week for a good article.

Same in advertising. Really, I didn't have to spend a lot of time explaining to my advertising people that we can not afford to take these money from this advertiser because we will lose our reputation as a result - and much more future money with it. They really understood it. Now? Who cares? We'll just delete it!

My conclusion: I'm sure that printed media will have it's renaissance once everyone is fed up with this online crap. I do like Dave and his blog, I actually watch all the videos and read a lot here, but for every Dave there's a thousand of crap artists just monetyzing their bullshit. Batterizer praise included. I'm sure this will end sooner or later. For now we have to have patience.

Sorry for my bad English and an off-topic, but I had to write it here : )
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5502 on: June 05, 2016, 08:34:32 pm »
Dave introduces his Product Baloney Detection Kit, and offers a step-by-step how-to tutorial guide to debunking wild marketing claims on tech products.
In this case the Batteriser, a boost converter that fits around ordinary AA batteries which claims to increase the battery life by up to 800%.
Does it live up to the hype?
http://www.batteriser.com/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2928997/batteriser-is-a-250-gadget-that-extends-disposable-battery-life-by-800-percent.html

Another dunking here on the Neurologica blog:
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/batteriser-cool-tech-or-scam/




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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5503 on: June 07, 2016, 04:34:46 pm »
My conclusion: I'm sure that printed media will have it's renaissance once everyone is fed up with this online crap.

Thanks for the well thought out words on the subject.  And your English is just fine!

Do you think that the medium will actually shift back to physical print, or maybe the medium will still be online, but a filtering will take place whereby people will actively seek out reputable reviews/articles and learn to spot click-bait a mile away?
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5504 on: June 07, 2016, 06:54:10 pm »
Can somebody do a funny EEvBlog magazine mockup? In the 80s style, please. Adding Sagan in "Teach EE to your children to without Arduino" would be a big plus!
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5505 on: June 13, 2016, 05:39:24 pm »
"Shorter Time To Money horizons"  :-DD
Not Time To Market, Time To Money

In the case of Batteroooooo, it's "Time to Monkey"

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5506 on: June 13, 2016, 05:41:48 pm »
Did they officially quit yet? It's getting a but boring here ;)
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5507 on: June 13, 2016, 08:01:29 pm »
There are still there and we still can preorder some :)
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5508 on: June 13, 2016, 10:20:02 pm »
There are still there and we still can preorder some :)

Is the shipping time still 30 days?  :-DD
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5509 on: June 13, 2016, 10:22:17 pm »
There are still there and we still can preorder some :)

Is the shipping time still 30 days?  :-DD

Nope!
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5510 on: June 13, 2016, 10:54:18 pm »
How many other people cringe every time they see the phrase "It will ship in 30 days". 
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5511 on: June 13, 2016, 11:20:23 pm »
There are still there and we still can preorder some :)

I think someone last year reported that the purchase will not go through.  I am not willing to try it until 30 days are up. 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5512 on: June 14, 2016, 12:44:03 am »
I can't help but think of the people who are unaware of the (long and sad) story of what is (not) happening - and come across the website, think it's a wonderful idea and try to throw some money at it.


Did they officially quit yet? It's getting a but boring here ;)
That's what they will want to see happen across the board, so that the whole schmozzle will simply fade away into the night - and without some affirmative action by the other parties involved, that is more than likely exactly what will happen.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5513 on: June 14, 2016, 10:51:13 am »
Since it all went quiet on the book of face and IGG the marketing droids have been showing re-runs of old image on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/batteriser.official/

I just had a look at Facebook to see if what I just said was still true, and found this little gem from June 9th.

Quote from: Batteriser, June 9 at 8:11pm
We receive word from our factory tomorrow with all the information we need to announce the shipping dates. Expect an Indiegogo update soon!
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5514 on: June 14, 2016, 10:57:26 am »
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5515 on: June 14, 2016, 11:26:56 am »
I think that word from their factory was sent by snail mail, expected delivery two weeks if the postage was ok that is.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5516 on: June 14, 2016, 02:29:21 pm »
I think that word from their factory was sent by snail mail, expected delivery two weeks if the postage was ok that is.
Maybe they had it hand delivered? The man took a boat and hand delivered it to the Batteroo office.


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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5517 on: June 14, 2016, 07:16:32 pm »
Is Bob still in China?

It's weird that he hasn't made any announcements about arriving home. He's usually so talkative.

 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5518 on: June 14, 2016, 07:54:25 pm »
I think that word from their factory was sent by snail mail, expected delivery two weeks if the postage was ok that is.
Maybe they had it hand delivered? The man took a boat and hand delivered it to the Batteroo office.

I think telegrams just take longer to reach Roohparvar when he's kicking it up in the Bahamas sipping banana daiquiri's.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5519 on: June 14, 2016, 09:38:27 pm »
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Be the first to enjoy two 4-packs of AA Batterisers! That means 8 AA Batterisers from our first shipment.

Technically, its not a lie... There will never actually be a first shipment, and you're much more likely to enjoy it if you never actually receive it...
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5520 on: June 15, 2016, 01:36:01 am »
It is getting awefully quiet here... But I understand! No updates, no nothing... But it would be a shame if this would vanish into oblivion. (Is that correct English?).
I think Bob and Frankie are having a wonderful time in Asia (if they ever went there). Probably busy with the new 'chip'...
Shame...  :( Would be great to tear this thing apart.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5521 on: June 15, 2016, 02:37:24 am »
But it would be a shame if this would vanish into oblivion. (Is that correct English?).

Yep ... perfect English.

Just like the Batteriser is perfect Bullsh*t.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5522 on: June 15, 2016, 03:51:08 am »
Is looking for 'investors' on IGG any different when advertising than it would be in any other 'legal' forum?

If not - I expect that Batteroo's misleading and deceptive statements to 'investors' would constitute a fraud if they knew at some time before the announced ship date - that a working product was impossible to manufacture & sell - yet they insist on taking more orders and promising delivery dates.

I expect the (US) SEC would be interested if they're not already, but in the future - to open a path for investigating this type of questionable promotion and marketing without adequate resources, skills or insurance to ensure fair expectations, and continuous disclosure to the 'investors' and 'customers'.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5523 on: June 15, 2016, 05:58:43 am »
The only chips they are playing with at the moment are the ones at the Macau casinos.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5524 on: June 15, 2016, 10:16:52 am »
I wonder if all the media outlets and "tech" websites who gushed over it will have anything to say?  Hopefuly your mate at the SMH will do a little follow-up at least...

Yep.

We need to start bothering people like the CNet editors who gave this a "Product of the Year" award before it was even available.

Lets also have a look at the Popular Forum Owner who called these kind of guys "highly respected journalists" and shut down critical forum members who dared to question the existence of a "prototype" these "highly respected journalists" claimed to have seen as the only ones in the world at that time.
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