EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[firewalker]

[Fungus]

On the one hand Batteriser protects babies from chemical burns by not discharging batteries "to an unsafe level".

On the other hand they don't recommend it for rechargeable batteries because it over-discharges them (down to 0.5V!) 




PS: Yes, the babies and chemical burns thing is real.  "Safety!" is their latest sales message. 

[EEVblog]

My first post, but I've been following this debacle for a few weeks. I'm not a batteroo shill, I promise.
I noticed this ad on the eevblog front page today. I believe Batteroo's ad budget may be more well spent somewhere else

Damn, that's funny!

[EEVblog]

In fact I suspect that this device would much more interesting if it just work as a pass-through when the battery voltage is more than 1.1V or 1.0V, then activate with the battery goes to that voltage to maintain the voltage to 1.1 or 1.0V. (or a user specified switch voltage)

It's only quite recently in the scheme of the development that Batteroo appear to know that battery voltage cutout is typically 1.1V under load.
No mention of it in their patents at all, it's 1.3V or 1.4V in there.

[EEVblog]

The best way to deal with the Batteriser ads is CLICK THEM wherever you see them. That depletes the Batteriser ad budget, but also the clicks on EEVBLOG site generate income for Dave to keep EEVBLOG going.

Please don't do that.

[edy]

The best way to deal with the Batteriser ads is CLICK THEM wherever you see them. That depletes the Batteriser ad budget, but also the clicks on EEVBLOG site generate income for Dave to keep EEVBLOG going.

Please don't do that.

Ok Dave, I won't click.... But I surely was tempted. Look what showed up when I opened EEVBlog on my web browser as well (see attached photo). 

I think we are all starting to get the Batteriser ad campaign, probably ranking very high. 

[Godzil]

In fact I suspect that this device would much more interesting if it just work as a pass-through when the battery voltage is more than 1.1V or 1.0V, then activate with the battery goes to that voltage to maintain the voltage to 1.1 or 1.0V. (or a user specified switch voltage)

It's only quite recently in the scheme of the development that Batteroo appear to know that battery voltage cutout is typically 1.1V under load.
No mention of it in their patents at all, it's 1.3V or 1.4V in there.

Anyway, as I put my idea here, it left some traces, so they won't be able to patent this! 

[EEVblog]

I'll also post this here, as many people only subscribe to this thread:

Now this is going too far:
Batteriser (I don't care if it's their BS claimed "fan page") are accusing me of, well, read it for yourself:

[EEVblog]

Someone is also buying dislikes on my Batteriser videos, and also those of at least one other Batteriser video:
Truly pathetic.

[Kean]

Wow that really is pathetic.  As if their BS product claims weren't bad enough, their marketing guy is working extra hard to totally ruin their reputation.

[edy]

Wow, it's getting ugly! How can we support you Dave, do we need an army of EEVBlog members to start liking these videos to skew the numbers back? Is there an "abuse" department or complaint email to YouTube to investigate where these Dislikes are coming from (like a bunch of fake YouTube accounts created for the sole purpose of spamming or affecting ratings that can be bought... Like sock puppet accounts? ).

[EEVblog]

Wow, it's getting ugly! How can we support you Dave, do we need an army of EEVBlog members to start liking these videos to skew the numbers back?

Nope, don't do anything, they are doing a spectacular job of ruining their reputation all by themselves 

[onlooker]

Their whole play, front and back, now looks more like a gangsters' movie. Maybe, this can really be a good material for a gangsters' movie.

[edy]

Wow, it's getting ugly! How can we support you Dave, do we need an army of EEVBlog members to start liking these videos to skew the numbers back?

Nope, don't do anything, they are doing a spectacular job of ruining their reputation all by themselves 

You're right. I agree. They want to drag things down to their level. The best play here is to simply ignore this type of behavior and take the high road. Continue to ask for the science. The other thing is we don't know really who is behind these posts, so it could all be a ruse. The fact of the matter is, Batteriser has still not shown a single working prototype demonstration which will shut us all up if they actually have something that works like they advertise. And Amazon will have it November? Hmmm....

[ccs46]

Someone is also buying dislikes on my Batteriser videos, and also those of at least one other Batteriser video:
Truly pathetic.

These bitches want war? They damn sure got one now... 

The question is why are most of those dislikes coming from 'Nam? 

[tree]

The youtube fanpage is starting to piss me off. I know it's one guy who's somehow related to the batteriser "inventors", but he's spewing crap left and right. While most of us from the forums are asking for science and data, all he's saying in response is "PhD...blaa blaa blaa...PhD.... we're smarter". This is a kid who's so damn insecure that he needs to boast about someone's credentials. Last time I checked, some of the most brilliant analog designers had no degree nor finished their degree, let alone a damn PhD... Some examples are from LT, Dobby and the late Jim, and yet they're regarded as some of the most brilliant engineers in analog.

[Kean]

Nope, don't do anything, they are doing a spectacular job of ruining their reputation all by themselves 

Sorry, couldn't help myself replying to that comment.  His replies are hilarious though - what a troll!

[edy]

The question is why are most of those dislikes coming from 'Nam? 

Notice that only 13 people viewed the video yet 132 disliked it.     So they dislike it without even watching it? Venezuela is the same.

[EEVblog]

Notice that only 13 people viewed the video yet 132 disliked it.     So they dislike it without even watching it? Venezuela is the same.

Because they don't play the video enough for Youtube to register a view.
When you pay a company to buy dislikes (or likes) they farm it out to people who open the link and then hit like/dislike and then close it and they collect their commission.
Youtube is very fussy about what constitutes a view, so they have complex algorithms for that. Not so (or nearly as much) for thumbs.

[5ky]

Very interesting.  Looks like I got 269 "dislikes" from Vietnam as well.  Those cheap bastards are really trying hard to bury our videos, but it's not working 

I was going to suggest that maybe the "professor" (term I use very loosely with that guy) was giving out extra credit to his students if they went and gave thumbs downs to videos calling batteriser a scam... until I saw what country the thumbs downs came from 



EDIT: typo

[edy]

How do you get a "-1" Like? Wouldn't that just be a dislike?   

[5ky]

How do you get a "-1" Like? Wouldn't that just be a dislike?   

Quantum thumbs, man.  We'll call it superposition 

[tree]

How do you get a "-1" Like? Wouldn't that just be a dislike?   

Quantum thumbs, man.  We'll call it superposition 

Sorry. Not an LTI system. Can't use superposition.

[edy]

How do you get a "-1" Like? Wouldn't that just be a dislike?   

Quantum thumbs, man.  We'll call it superposition 

Next we'll see a sqrt(-1) likes.  O0

[Kean]

Just discovered that even though the comments on Youtube are moderated, you can see the full unmoderated discussion with this moron via Google Plus
e.g. https://plus.google.com/u/0/106095496873834311761/posts/9zCvkcWPjhu