EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[5ky]

My wife is making me go to the dog park with her since it's nice out today...

Do you have a dog...?

Yup

[Delta]

You can't beat a bit of dogging on a late summer's eve...

😉

[tree]

My wife is making me go to the dog park with her since it's nice out today, but once I'm home, I'm going to make another quick video with these results.

Wife making you do things? Get a new wife!

[MrRobSteel]

My wife is making me go to the dog park with her since it's nice out today, but once I'm home, I'm going to make another quick video with these results.

Wife making you do things? Get a new wife!

Coming soon, Wiferiser. 800% more wife.

[timofonic]

My wife is making me go to the dog park with her since it's nice out today, but once I'm home, I'm going to make another quick video with these results.

Wife making you do things? Get a new wife!

Coming soon, Wiferiser. 800% more wife.

Wifesexizer and Husbandsexizer, 8000% more sex with more attractive and pain.

That would be nice.

[edy]

Wifesexizer and Husbandsexizer, 8000% more sex with more attractive and pain.

That would be nice.

They already have that on AliExpress... 

[ccs46]

My wife is making me go to the dog park with her since it's nice out today...

Do you have a dog...?

Yup

Whats her name? xD

[TheAmmoniacal]

Could the Batteriser have any sort of over-current protection or would it just burn out?

[5ky]

My wife is making me go to the dog park with her since it's nice out today...

Do you have a dog...?

Yup

Whats her name? xD

Ellie, the ankle biter 

Could the Batteriser have any sort of over-current protection or would it just burn out?

Potentially, but considering the size constraints, I think they'd have a hard time fitting all that into there.  I wonder if any boost converter IC's have current sense capabilities for that purpose?

[tree]

Could the Batteriser have any sort of over-current protection or would it just burn out?

If we assume that it was properly designed, then they have to include it to make sure the inductor doesn't saturate. What happens when the inductor saturates? Tons of bad stuff. For one, efficiency takes a dive.

But then again we can say that it wasn't properly designed, so best guess, they don't have current protection.

[EEVblog]

It seems the Batteriser CEO is going to claim in this newspaper article that I'm working for Duracell 



How on earth can the investors let this farce go on?

[LabSpokane]

It seems the Batteriser CEO is going to claim in this newspaper article that I'm working for Duracell 



How on earth can the investors let this farce go on?

Dammit Dave!  I thought we had a gentleman's agreement and I was shilling for Duracell and you were working for Energizer. What happened, man? Where's the love?

[amyk]

missed opportunity there... should've taken the offer for the article.

[tech5940]

It seems the Batteriser CEO is going to claim in this newspaper article that I'm working for Duracell 



How on earth can the investors let this farce go on?

Clearly you have way more in common with the Energizer bunny than you do with Duracell. Get it right people. 


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[samgab]

It seems the Batteriser CEO is going to claim in this newspaper article that I'm working for Duracell 



How on earth can the investors let this farce go on?

Are you going to finally reveal the shocking truth: That you are in fact none other than MR BIG BATTERY HIMSELF, the CEO of Duracell in disguise, and that the Dave Jones persona and the EEVBlog and the EEVBlog Youtube channel are all an elaborate front which you've spent the last 10 or more years building up to this exact moment so you can debunk a little battery sleeve! Now is the time to come clean Mr. BB! And you'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those pesky Butterizer kids...

[LabSpokane]

http://sktainnopartners.com/team-2/

Min Park turns out to be a EE.  Could be worth chatting him up if this keeps on.

[EEVblog]

It seems the Batteriser CEO is going to claim in this newspaper article that I'm working for Duracell 

How on earth can the investors let this farce go on?

Dammit Dave!  I thought we had a gentleman's agreement and I was shilling for Duracell and you were working for Energizer. What happened, man? Where's the love?

The cheques in the mail, relax 

[5ky]

If she's anything like most American journalists looking to twist your words, don't trust her.  A simple "I have ZERO affiliation with battery companies." would probably be fine, but I wouldn't divulge any information beyond that.  This planet's media is in a really sad state. 

[LabSpokane]

And Batteroo releases the expansive, detailed, whopping 3 page UL test report:
http://batteriser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Batteriser_ULReport_GPSDevice.pdf

BATTERISER INC 310 De Guigne Dr. Sunnyvale, CA 94085
Dear Batteriser,
Per your request, project 4787059213 was opened, in accordance with your requested test protocol. The test data has been included at the end of this report.
UL LLC did not select the samples, determine whether the samples were representative of production samples, witness the production of the test samples, nor were we provided with information relative to the formulation or identification of component materials used in the test samples. The test results apply only to the actual samples tested.
The issuance of this report in no way implies Listing, Classification or Recognition by UL LLC and does not authorize the use of UL Listing, Classification or Recognition Marks or any other reference to UL LLC. on the product or system. UL LLC authorizes the above named company to reproduce this Report provided it is reproduced in its entirety. The name, Brand or Marks of UL LLC cannot be used in any packaging, advertising, promotion or marketing relating to the data in this Report, without UL's prior written permission.
UL, its employees and agents shall not be responsible to anyone for the use or nonuse of the information contained in this Report, and shall not incur any obligation or liability for damages, including consequential damages, arising out of or in connection with the use of, or inability to use, the information contained in this Report.
This letter will serve to report that all tests on the subject product have been completed and the data is included in the attached test report.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide your company with these services. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you should have any questions or comments.

Now that is the seal of approval if I've ever seen it. 

[EEVblog]

And Batteroo releases the expansive, detailed, whopping 3 page UL test report:
http://batteriser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Batteriser_ULReport_GPSDevice.pdf

BATTERISER INC 310 De Guigne Dr. Sunnyvale, CA 94085
Dear Batteriser,
Per your request, project 4787059213 was opened, in accordance with your requested test protocol. The test data has been included at the end of this report.
UL LLC did not select the samples, determine whether the samples were representative of production samples, witness the production of the test samples, nor were we provided with information relative to the formulation or identification of component materials used in the test samples. The test results apply only to the actual samples tested.
The issuance of this report in no way implies Listing, Classification or Recognition by UL LLC and does not authorize the use of UL Listing, Classification or Recognition Marks or any other reference to UL LLC. on the product or system. UL LLC authorizes the above named company to reproduce this Report provided it is reproduced in its entirety. The name, Brand or Marks of UL LLC cannot be used in any packaging, advertising, promotion or marketing relating to the data in this Report, without UL's prior written permission.
UL, its employees and agents shall not be responsible to anyone for the use or nonuse of the information contained in this Report, and shall not incur any obligation or liability for damages, including consequential damages, arising out of or in connection with the use of, or inability to use, the information contained in this Report.
This letter will serve to report that all tests on the subject product have been completed and the data is included in the attached test report.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide your company with these services. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you should have any questions or comments.

Now that is the seal of approval if I've ever seen it. 

Batteriser now have to remove all mention of the UL testing from their website, Indiegogo, and all other promotional material.
UL will totally kick their arse if they don't.

That is the most embarrassing technical report I've ever read in my life, it doesn't even have the date on it 

[Wytnucls]

From the beginning, they painted themselves as the white knights in shining armour, fighting the evil empire of big battery. A new play on the old conspiracy theory that big oil companies killed the water engine.

The whole family and associates are ruthless scammers. Initially we thought their inflated claims were due to an overzealous advertising team. It is now clear that the Roohparvars were out to deceive investors at the very start of the campaign.

[LabSpokane]

If she's anything like most American journalists looking to twist your words, don't trust her.  A simple "I have ZERO affiliation with battery companies." would probably be fine, but I wouldn't divulge any information beyond that.  This planet's media is in a really sad state. 

Dave's statements are all public tweets. Hannah doesn't have too much leeway there. I think she might be fair. Bob's claim is so silly that he's pretty well cooked.

These desperate acts are a good indication of how quickly the wheels are coming off at Batteroo. People don't recklessly lash out like this when things are going their way.

[EEVblog]

Dave's statements are all public tweets. Hannah doesn't have too much leeway there. I think she might be fair.

She's at least asking all the right questions and doing some due diligence. We'll see how it turns out, but I'm not fussed either way. I suspect it will just be exactly as she mentioned, a "balanced" article. As if both sides have equally valid technical data to back up their claims.

[Fungus]

Batteriser now have to remove all mention of the UL testing from their website, Indiegogo, and all other promotional material.
UL will totally kick their arse if they don't.

It's still there as I write this: "UL, one of the oldest and most prestigious Labs, has performed independent Performance testing of a Garmin Golf GPS with and without Batteriser showing approx. 600% life extension"

That is the most embarrassing technical report I've ever read in my life, it doesn't even have the date on it 

Not even signed.

It feels like they were blackmailed into writing it.

[joseph.anand]

Batteriser now have to remove all mention of the UL testing from their website, Indiegogo, and all other promotional material.
UL will totally kick their arse if they don't.

That is the most embarrassing technical report I've ever read in my life, it doesn't even have the date on it 

Batteriser already had the entire report with them. They have violated the agreement with UL by
1. Advertising UL certification
2. Placing only a partial portion of the report online
3. Editing out portions of the report (like page 2 of 3)

Page 1 clearly states that everything was provided by Batteriser. It was not independent testing of the claims, but rather independent testing of the things provided to them by Batteriser. It is not stated anywhere that the batteries provided for testing were new.

After reading Page 2 UL themselves have made a mess by not clearly stating for "Test without Batteriser" whether GPS shut down or backlight was switched off. And from both Batteriser's video and also tests done by people on this forum we know that the GPS goes on for much more than that without switching off.


From a product that could have been useful in some situations, this thing is turning day by day into a farce.