EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[AlxDroidDev]

Any other ideas?

The photos were deemed Classified by the Pentagon.

[ccs46]

Any other ideas?

The batteries in our camera died and the Batteriser didn't fit in it.

[Fungus]

The options include:

1) It is secret, we can not show you the pieces.

2) The two Batteroo Execs that visit China weren't allowed to take pictures.

3) The batteries in the camera were dead.

4) The dog ate the SD card.

4b) The monkey ate the SD card.

5) We plan to ship in March so you don't need photos.

6) The requests will disappear.

That's an easy one: #6

[Mr.B]

^---  What he said.

After all, Fungus is an expert on disappearing comments and blocked bookface accounts... Isn't he...?

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Any other ideas?

The batteries in our camera died and the Batteriser didn't fit in it.

Variation:

The dead batteries and Batterisers are stuck in the camera and we can not get them out.

Jay_Diddy_B

[AmmoJammo]

Debunking myths and testing facts?

https://www.yahoo.com/makers/breakthrough-battery-gadget-answers-critics-125063020800.html

The article appears to be 8 months old, doesn't debunk a single thing, nor show the slightest bit of factual information.

I suspect the facebook page has been set up as a troll page....

[EEVblog]

I suspect the facebook page has been set up as a troll page....

Seems that way. Posting this old article where the Batteriser didn't even work!

[drussell]

I suspect the facebook page has been set up as a troll page....

Seems that way. Posting this old article where the Batteriser didn't even work!

Then why would they be deleting any comments or replies to other peoples' comments which are even slightly critical of them or have any questions about their product for them and completely blocking us from posting to their page?!!

No, I think it really is the delusional Batteroo team and they're still calling that Yahoo article a "win" for themselves.

[EEVblog]

Then why would they be deleting any comments or replies to other peoples' comments which are even slightly critical of them or have any questions about their product for them and completely blocking us from posting to their page?!!
No, I think it really is the delusional Bateroo team and they're still calling that Yahoo article a "win" for themselves.

It's just the clueless person running the Facebook page trying to justify their existence by posting links.
But hey, I guess that's really the only real evidence they have that this thing has been seen by other people. When you've got nothing to show, you have to promote the dregs 

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Hi group,

For the record, just in case it gets deleted, on the IGG comments:



It seems we have a non-believer who wants to see pictures.

Interesting use of 'Bolshevik'. Google tells me it is Russian for 'One of the Majority'

I can only assume that is automatic typing correction of 'Bullsh!t'.


Regards,

Jay_Diddy_B

[madires]

Interesting use of 'Bolshevik'. Google tells me it is Russian for 'One of the Majority'

I can only assume that is automatic typing correction of 'Bullsh!t'.

A lesson in history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Hi,

Today the a81120067 comment is gone, so no more Bolshevik.

There is a suggestion of more pictures:



Let's wait a see if they post anything meaningful.

 

Jay_Diddy_B

[Fungus]

Let's wait a see if they post anything meaningful.

I'm sure they will... 

[AlxDroidDev]

Let's wait a see if they post anything meaningful.

We have a better chance of achieving world peace. Even the overunity and "free energy" guys look more promising than Batterizer (yes, I know!!!)

On a side note, I wonder if someone from batteroo reads these forums. If they do, they might have had some free EE design tips a few pages ago.

[rrinker]

Let's wait a see if they post anything meaningful.

We have a better chance of achieving world peace. Even the overunity and "free energy" guys look more promising than Batterizer (yes, I know!!!)

On a side note, I wonder if someone from batteroo reads these forums. If they do, they might have had some free EE design tips a few pages ago.

 Does anyone who posted actual design help have a PhD? Because if not, it's totally invalid advice to the 'experts' like Bob. No PhD = you have no clue what you're talking about to that bunch. They said as much in their response to Dave. Their PhDs have figured out the magic that any practical EE can prove is, well, bullshit. I mean, who are you going to trust? Some crazy Aussie bloke with a YouTube show who physically demonstrates that the device cannot work as promised, or some intellectual PhDs and their overwhelming brain power? (don't answer if you are on Team Batteroo)

 This needs to resolve out one way or another soon, I'm getting sick from all the popcorn consumption.

[EEVblog]

On a side note, I wonder if someone from batteroo reads these forums.

They do.
Something gets mentioned on here and it magically seems to appear in their next update or video.

[EEVblog]

This needs to resolve out one way or another soon, I'm getting sick from all the popcorn consumption.

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Does anyone who posted actual design help have a PhD? Because if not, it's totally invalid advice to the 'experts' like Bob. No PhD = you have no clue what you're talking about to that bunch. They said as much in their response to Dave. Their PhDs have figured out the magic that any practical EE can prove is, well, bullshit. I mean, who are you going to trust? Some crazy Aussie bloke with a YouTube show who physically demonstrates that the device cannot work as promised, or some intellectual PhDs and their overwhelming brain power? (don't answer if you are on Team Batteroo)

 This needs to resolve out one way or another soon, I'm getting sick from all the popcorn consumption.

I, for one, do not have a Phd. I did graduate from Imperial College (London U.K.) with a BSc (Eng). I started working with switching power supplies in 1979 and have been doing it ever since. I don't know how long smps have been around, let me say 60 years, I have 37 years experience in the field. You could say I have 37/60 ths of the maximum possible experience.

It is the fundamentals such as:

1) the battery discharge curves

2) the maximum power theorem

3) the challenges with producing an IC that will work at very low voltages.

4) most devices already operate at low voltages

That the Batteroo team have over looked.

I am interested in this because I want to see how it plays out. I am not backer of the IGG campaign. They are lucky that I am not. I would have asked some very challenging questions for them. I would probably have been banned many months ago.

I am disappointed that IGG allows campaigners to delete comments that are really quite polite and respectful. As a minimum I would like to see a tally of how many comments have been deleted like this:

STORY     UPDATES     Comments xxx      Deleted Comments yyy      Backers

It would make campaigners think before deleting. Too many deletions would be a red flag.

Regards,

Jay_Diddy_B

[BravoV]

I am disappointed that IGG allows campaigners to delete comments that are really quite polite and respectful. As a minimum I would like to see a tally of how many comments have been deleted like this:

STORY     UPDATES     Comments xxx      Deleted Comments yyy      Backers

It would make campaigners think before deleting. Too many deletions would be a red flag.

I believe IGG people are not stupid, pretty confident that implementing this comments management transparently is not and will not be in their to do list.

"Definitely" it will have huge impact on their money flow.

[rrinker]

 Just to be clear - I wasn't questioning anyone here's capabilities in posting verifiable design considerations and so forth, The last bit in my first paragraph was meant to be sarcastic. I don't question Dave's analysis and the experiments he did in his videos - the results speak for themselves. I question the Batteriser PhDs who only respond with bullshit excuses in a lame attempt to create nonexistent flaws in Dave's analysis and simply pass it off as that intellectually snobbery of "if you has a PhD , you'd understand". Makes one wonder if they got their PhD from a Cracker jack box or if they simply donated a lot of money to some school and it's honorary. Or, has been stated, more than likely they are just so far removed from the practical side of engineering that they are failing to comprehend the physical realities of what they are attempting to create. Their handling of anything negative though really hints of elitism, as in "how DARE you criticize out AMAZING device, you must be stupid, or in the pay of Big Battery"  Hmm, well, that last bit veers into conspiracy nuttery, so maybe strike that.

 Bah, back to the couch to keep watching. Last up, they promised more pictures. Odd of them just posting the same old pictures they've shown before? 99.9999% in my book.

[Kjelt]

Mwah the same as in some companies, the higher you get the more abstract it becomes.
So in the end a system architect only has a valid user story:
User with device that shows empty battery, removes battery, puts battery in batteriser TM puts back in device and the device operates again.
Now only the engineers have to make it only work 

[Jay_Diddy_B]

Meanwhile, over on the Batteriser Facebook page we have:




Let us see how long the message about the trademark dispute lasts.

Mia Micra   

Regards,

Jay_Diddy_B

[EEVblog]

Let us see how long the message about the trademark dispute lasts.

If they do ever ship anything, it must have a different name on it. They simply would not be that stupid to ship product with Energizer hanging over their head. Energizer are not playing games, they will not let Batteroo use the name, and will sue then out of existence if they try.
There has to come a point where Batteroo will use their "Big battery is suing us to stop our technology" publicity trump card.

[Mr.B]

Back on the subject of maximum claimed current and the back-stepping, side-stepping and changing of specs...
I was trying to remember where I had seen the rubbish claim that the thing could deliver as much current as the battery could deliver.

Surfing around today I stumbled upon it again.
They still have this bogus claim in their FAQ section on their website:

Are there limitations on devices that can use the Batteriser based on the current consumptions?

No, the Batteriser sleeve is designed to deliver as much current as a battery is able to supply to the device.

Utter rubbish...
Whats the short circuit current of an AA battery...?  Approaching 10A...?

[EEVblog]

They still have this bogus claim in their FAQ section on their website:

Are there limitations on devices that can use the Batteriser based on the current consumptions?
No, the Batteriser sleeve is designed to deliver as much current as a battery is able to supply to the device.

Utter rubbish...

And they wonder why people laugh at them and don't them seriously?