EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Galenbo]

It sounds to me like they're going to write the article on this subject either way.

They've given Dave the opportunity to have a share in how it's presented.

As in: They're looking for a cheap way to use more of Dave's image to fit their personal agenda.

[Galenbo]

Perhaps  a chemist knows more about batteries than an EE, why should a physicist not know more about batteries than an EE ?

No need for such overgeneralisation. There's no 'about batteries', and there's no 'a chemist', no 'an EE' and 'a physicist'

Apart from the ones that just popped of school, they share less than 5% common knowledge after some years.

[Howardlong]

http://www.recyclinginternational.com/recycling-news/8815/e-scrap-and-batteries/united-states/bringing-used-batteries-back-dead

"Most new batteries contain 1.5 V of energy" 

At which point, what's the point of reading any further?

[Halcyon]

I'm surprised no one has come up with a Batteriser meme featuring a sex toy of sorts. Increase your pleasure by 800%... or maybe a 'Fleshlight' instead of their flashlight... I dunno, this is all off the top of my head and I'm no good with Photoshop.

[Fungus]

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

I think Dave is quite confident right now. I know I am.

(Of course that doesn't mean Batteriser can't still be huge commercial success. Get them on the checkouts at Walmart and you'll sell millions whether they work or not - so much for Batteriser saving the environment!)

[ozwolf]

Hi Dave,

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

Ozwolf

Maybe I don't get the irony, but of course you can be confident before you have a Batteriser to test, because of physical laws and technical facts, like the bullshit that a boosted battery suddenly shows 100% full in a wireless keyboard. For all we know, and not the surpised user, it could suddenly die the next minute.

There should be a xkcd.com comic about it
panel 1: Mac keyboard with normal battery, level shows 10%
panel 2: zoom: put the Batterieser sleeve on it and back into the keyboard
panel 3: level shows 100%, stick man smiles, dumb comment from him
panel 4: one minute later: level shows 0%, clever comment from the woman from the back

We (the community on EEVblog) may understand the physical laws and technical facts, but the newspaper and its readers are less likely to do so. 

Let the reporter and newspaper put pressure on Batteriser to send a couple of prototypes to Dave for testing.  The real story may then become why Batteriser won't let their device be subject to peer review.

Ozwolf

[Godzil]

If you haven't already noticed, they've shared another persons videos... 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

As a French people, I feel beeing insulted by the "synergy" guy with his French flag in the background. French revolution have nothing to do with this crap.

[AmmoJammo]

Another "quality post" from a Batteriser supporter

which he removed and re-uploaded...

[joseph.anand]

Professor, Physics & Astronomy

Oh yes! Why nobody did provide that info before?

What about the rest of people involved? This smells more than ever.

Lakshmi Narasimha:
He is no EE. He is a "software engineer".

https://www.linkedin.com/in/lakshminarasimhanav

[EEVblog]

There's nothing suspicious about the dislikes he's received. They're just genuine dislikes to his content. Heck, I disliked it myself. 

Yup, he of course didn't show the overlay of the views and dislikes.
His video got featured on the Batteriser page, so people saw it and they disliked it. Simple.

If that's the sort of person the batteroo team want on their side, they're welcome to him!

Probably best to let Batteriser simply self implode at this point.

BTW, I lost count of the number of people who came up to me at Electronex over the last two days and mentioned Batteriser. Just face palm after face palm.
The best comedy writers on the planet couldn't have scripted it better.

[joseph.anand]

Lakshmi Narasimha:
He is no EE. He is a "software engineer".
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lakshminarasimhanav

From his Linkedin profile, He works at a company called "Startup Inc"

[AmmoJammo]

12 views, 300 dislikes...
204 views, 3 dislikes...

Yeah, that seems legit! 

[Fungus]

I'm surprised no one has come up with a Batteriser meme featuring a sex toy of sorts. Increase your pleasure by 800%... or maybe a 'Fleshlight' instead of their flashlight... I dunno, this is all off the top of my head and I'm no good with Photoshop.

Feel free to call the monkey "spanks" instead of "probes".

(Just keep it to yourself)

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

Your all up in my space!
Too close for an interview for my liking.

Lakshmi Narasimha:
He is no EE. He is a "software engineer".
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lakshminarasimhanav

From his Linkedin profile, He works at a company called "Startup Inc"

[edy]

Probably best to let Batteriser simply self implode at this point.

BTW, I lost count of the number of people who came up to me at Electronex over the last two days and mentioned Batteriser. Just face palm after face palm.
The best comedy writers on the planet couldn't have scripted it better.

Hence the need to wait regarding the interview and/or article and resist the temptation to further stoke this flaming disaster. I would wait until they ship (if they ever do)... and if they don't, well you have your answer either way. Honestly I would just ignore Batteriser at this point and revisit them in 2 months to see what is left of this train wreck.

And that is the unfortunate thing about these crowd-funding campaigns. The backers and initial media run are all drinking the "Kool-Aid" and when critical thinking and debunking enters the picture, it is often too late and not really able to target who has already bought in to the idea. So while it may be a useful exercise for critical analysis and fundamentals review, it will be a monumental job and likely will make little difference to go after each and every dubious crowd-funding campaign. The system must be changed or laws enacted to protect backers and penalize scammers severely, just like those who run pyramid schemes or inside trading and stock schemes.

[Fungus]

He is no EE. He is a "software engineer".

So? I'm a video game programmer, that doesn't stop me knowing about electronics.

(And Dave Jones is a performing arts graduate and fitness trainer who used to run Internet dating sites).

[Godzil]

Wow the level of stupidity of thoses bateroo fan are just over 9000...

I don't think I insulted him apart from saying that I feel insulted myself by his stupid comparison...
(I wonder if I should report his comment)

[MrRobSteel]

Batteriser Fan Page posted 22 hours ago
Here is an honorable man who is capable of making rational and conscious conclusions. There is a bigger picture. Who is behind all the paid dislikes on Batteriser Fan Page for the past 3 months? Wake up and open your eyes, don't let the future fall to professional manipulators and professional "victims". Who has really been under attack since day one? Batteriser.

Good to know that Batteriser only associate with the most honorable, rational people.

[f4eru]

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-751-how-to-debunk-a-product-(the-batteriser)/?action=dlattach;attach=170459

1 Godwin point for Batterizer...

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

Good to know that Batteriser only associate with the most honorable, rational people.

Sounds like a guy I used to work with. Eventually they burn themselves out. Hopefully without taking others with them.

[joseph.anand]

He is no EE. He is a "software engineer".

So? I'm a video game programmer, that doesn't stop me knowing about electronics.

(And Dave Jones is a performing arts graduate and fitness trainer who used to run Internet dating sites).

Well I was just trying to put to rest their claim of "many professors" vs "EEs". Anyway I'm also not an EE by education. I 'm a researcher and programmer whose first hobby has always been electronics till it was overtaken by  programming and then spent over the last decade specializing in signal processing, and machine learning. Dave's blog sort of caused me to start spending  time with electronics over the last few years. 

[jancumps]

Wow the level of stupidity of thoses bateroo fan are just over 9000...

I don't think I insulted him apart from saying that I feel insulted myself by his stupid comparison...
(I wonder if I should report his comment)

Godwin's law works every time

[felixd]

Batteriser Fan Page posted 22 hours ago
Here is an honorable man who is capable of making rational and conscious conclusions. There is a bigger picture. Who is behind all the paid dislikes on Batteriser Fan Page for the past 3 months? Wake up and open your eyes, don't let the future fall to professional manipulators and professional "victims". Who has really been under attack since day one? Batteriser.

Good to know that Batteriser only associate with the most honorable, rational people.

Nice to see my own comment here
Yup, you're right about this guy.

Greetings from Poland!

[Fungus]

Wow the level of stupidity of thoses bateroo fan are just over 9000...

Do they honestly think the haters are being paid by "Big Battery"?

Their heads must be messed up inside, I can't even think down to a level where that's the way the world works.

Facts are facts. Big Battery is sleeping soundly tonight.

[McBryce]

"15 miles from France" So they're from Belgium, Holland, Germany, Luxemburg or Spain???

Or does he mean some small US town called France?

McBryce.