EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[AmmoJammo]

Stainless isn't totally rubbish at conducting, I think roughly 15 milliohms for an 0.2mm thick AA batteriser sheet, but maybe, realising they need all the help they can, decided not to cut all the logo out of the C cell version 

except they're talking about using 0.1mm from memory, and don't forget there's a ~3 or 4mm wide section on the AAA and AA versions of the butteriser.

[ez24]

Give them a break, "the possibilities are endless"!  A CarBatteriser could be next!

Is this possible for $100 ?  I would pay $100 if I could get 5 secs one time from a dead car battery.  Right now I know my car will not start but would if I could get 5 secs.  I have a new battery in the trunk but I would rather have a CarBatteriser.  But I think tomorrow is the day I have to install the new battery (too far for an extension cord) because I do not have a CarBatteriser.

I cannot imagine the size of the components needed but if the size of a car battery and about $100 I would buy one.  My guess it is not possible.

[EEVblog]

Give them a break, "the possibilities are endless"!  A CarBatteriser could be next!

Is this possible for $100 ?

No, it's not.
The main job of a car battery is to start your car. That requires hundreds of amps. If you battery can't deliver that, then no magic voodoo converter you add is going to help.
It would require another high current capable storage element, like another battery, or some form of super cap that you need to charge up.

[miguelvp]

Supercaps in series connected to the battery in parallel would work, however you have to load balance the charge.
I recall seeing some on e-bay, but modifying a car with external power or anything hooked at the electrical system is too risky for my blood.

I prefer my cars not on fire, not saying that device is dangerous but in my mind they are unproven.

Edit: Old listing but the balancer schematic picture is no longer available
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultracapacitor-Diesel-Engine-Battery-Starter-Booster-Car-Ultra-Super-Capacitor-/300900579759

Get a better battery instead.

Edit: Also photoinduction tried this thing



Available in the US as well but on a different name brand?
http://www.amazon.com/Current-13600mAh-Portable-Starter-Flashlight/dp/B00I02SVOC

Sorry for the derailment.

[l0rd_hex]

I believe replacing the water in your battery with holy water will forgive your battery's sins and may result in a "born again" battery.

[Fungus]

Give them a break, "the possibilities are endless"!  A CarBatteriser could be next!

Is this possible for $100 ?

It's not possible at any price. Cars need extra amps, not extra volts.

[Fungus]

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole Batteriser bungle didn't bring IGG to it's knees - or at the very least to stimulate legal requirements for CF campaigns.

Have you browsed their campaigns...? Batteriser is nothing.

[meeder]

Supercaps in series connected to the battery in parallel would work, however you have to load balance the charge.
I recall seeing some on e-bay, but modifying a car with external power or anything hooked at the electrical system is too risky for my blood.

I prefer my cars not on fire, not saying that device is dangerous but in my mind they are unproven.

Edit: Old listing but the balancer schematic picture is no longer available
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultracapacitor-Diesel-Engine-Battery-Starter-Booster-Car-Ultra-Super-Capacitor-/300900579759

Get a better battery instead.

Edit: Also photoinduction tried this thing



Available in the US as well but on a different name brand?
http://www.amazon.com/Current-13600mAh-Portable-Starter-Flashlight/dp/B00I02SVOC

Sorry for the derailment.

Let them start a diesel engine with that thing. I measured the current draw from the battery on my old mk2 Golf years ago. It drew 50 Amps to heat up the glowplugs for 5 to 10 seconds and then over 400A to crank the engine.

[Galenbo]

... some companies ....
Some even considering debunking it themselves, but ultimately deemed it too stupid to waste their time on.

The debunking part of it was easy, may of us could have done it, even very fast.

But you did it in an educational way, with a neutral dry scientific approach.
There was no real need for a debunk because most of us already knew, but you (and others) also delivered a lot of extra details and information.
I think it's only a little minority here that already knew ALL aspects.

[Galenbo]

I know he's being trolled, but he should recognize this and show some ounce of professionalism, it's ridiculous.

This anger may be a good indication as to how well their business is doing.

Isn't the Ali guy the same as the student guy that posted with different names on their Youtube channel?
It's nearly exam time for them, stress goes up.

The most dirty thing somebody could do at the moment is tell Daddy that Ali was on internet again instead of studying.

[senso]

Supercaps in series connected to the battery in parallel would work, however you have to load balance the charge.
I recall seeing some on e-bay, but modifying a car with external power or anything hooked at the electrical system is too risky for my blood.

I prefer my cars not on fire, not saying that device is dangerous but in my mind they are unproven.

Edit: Old listing but the balancer schematic picture is no longer available
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultracapacitor-Diesel-Engine-Battery-Starter-Booster-Car-Ultra-Super-Capacitor-/300900579759

Get a better battery instead.

Edit: Also photoinduction tried this thing



Available in the US as well but on a different name brand?
http://www.amazon.com/Current-13600mAh-Portable-Starter-Flashlight/dp/B00I02SVOC

Sorry for the derailment.

Let them start a diesel engine with that thing. I measured the current draw from the battery on my old mk2 Golf years ago. It drew 50 Amps to heat up the glowplugs for 5 to 10 seconds and then over 400A to crank the engine.

Mike started a truck with a Makita drill battery..

[EEVblog]

Isn't the Ali guy the same as the student guy that posted with different names on their Youtube channel?

No evidence of that.
The fan page kid claims to be "David Parish". But I have evidence he's used other names as well.
However someone on here did suggest it:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-751-how-to-debunk-a-product-(the-batteriser)/?action=dlattach;attach=170499

[Delta]

Supercaps in series connected to the battery in parallel would work, however you have to load balance the charge.
I recall seeing some on e-bay, but modifying a car with external power or anything hooked at the electrical system is too risky for my blood.

I prefer my cars not on fire, not saying that device is dangerous but in my mind they are unproven.

Edit: Old listing but the balancer schematic picture is no longer available
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultracapacitor-Diesel-Engine-Battery-Starter-Booster-Car-Ultra-Super-Capacitor-/300900579759

Get a better battery instead.

Edit: Also photoinduction tried this thing



Available in the US as well but on a different name brand?
http://www.amazon.com/Current-13600mAh-Portable-Starter-Flashlight/dp/B00I02SVOC

Sorry for the derailment.

Let them start a diesel engine with that thing. I measured the current draw from the battery on my old mk2 Golf years ago. It drew 50 Amps to heat up the glowplugs for 5 to 10 seconds and then over 400A to crank the engine.

Erm, if you watch the video, you will see him starting a Diesel engine in a Citroen van...

[Godzil]

But it's a French car, that's why.

[Delta]

Let's see it start a Diesel engine -> here is it starting a Diesel engine -> that doesn't count.... 

[CrashO]

But it's a French car, that's why.

Correct.
French always runs best 

[drussell]

How can they claim a UL listing as long as the product tested is not the same as they ship?

They've never claimed to be UL listed.

They had UL perform a battery life test of their own (Batteroo's) design and very carefully word that to fool many people into thinking they're saying it's UL listed when IT IS NOT.

[Fungus]

How can they claim a UL listing as long as the product tested is not the same as they ship?

They've never claimed to be UL listed.

They had UL perform a battery life test of their own (Batteroo's) design and very carefully word that to fool many people into thinking they're saying it's UL listed when IT IS NOT.

It seems that UL regrets doing it. The text of the "UL verified" headline on Batteroo's web page has changed several times now and no longer shows the test results. Presumably showing the one favorable page from the report was against the terms of the agreement (which requires it to be reproduced in full).

[Brumby]

[Howardlong]

Supercaps in series connected to the battery in parallel would work, however you have to load balance the charge.
I recall seeing some on e-bay, but modifying a car with external power or anything hooked at the electrical system is too risky for my blood.

I prefer my cars not on fire, not saying that device is dangerous but in my mind they are unproven.

Edit: Old listing but the balancer schematic picture is no longer available
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultracapacitor-Diesel-Engine-Battery-Starter-Booster-Car-Ultra-Super-Capacitor-/300900579759

Get a better battery instead.

Edit: Also photoinduction tried this thing



Available in the US as well but on a different name brand?
http://www.amazon.com/Current-13600mAh-Portable-Starter-Flashlight/dp/B00I02SVOC

Sorry for the derailment.

Let them start a diesel engine with that thing. I measured the current draw from the battery on my old mk2 Golf years ago. It drew 50 Amps to heat up the glowplugs for 5 to 10 seconds and then over 400A to crank the engine.

Err, they did... Watch the vid.

[rx8pilot]

Was that box providing the whole starting current or was it boosting a battery that was just a little short on current?

[l0rd_hex]

Was that box providing the whole starting current or was it boosting a battery that was just a little short on current?

Affix your looking balls on the web filmette and all of your questions will be answered!!!

EDIT: can we get back on topic here?

[SL4P]

OK, time to get back on topic!
Please fork this if needed to chat about starting your car etc...
Too many alerts for non-Batteriser posts.
thx

[Ian.M]

Plan B: See if 3000 batterisers in series-parallel can jump start a car!

[miguelvp]

12 times this?



But I don't think they are going to make 9V batterisers.

Edit: 18V for two in series and connect them all in parallel it's going to be impossible