changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide

[Votality]

So the million dollar question is as of the 2/8/2012.

 If i ordered a ds1052e would the hack still work. Or does it not work with the lastest hardware/firmware.

Has anyome confirmed this works with one bought recently.

Id be looking at getting one from emona.

[torch]

I don't know if anyone has tried it with this new 3.0 firmware. There is some suspicion about a firmware that was first heard of when it was posted on a free webhosting site in Russia. It has been talked about by a number of posters, unfortunately if you look at the post count of each, they do not have a long reputation as yet. There were also some posts mixed in that said other people were still getting it with v2.06.

Odds are the technique outlined here will likely work. The DS1102E can now be found for almost the same price as the DS1052E, suggesting that Rigol finally threw in the towel. (In fact, if you look real close at the image of the DS1052E on the rigolna.com website, you will see it says "100MHz" on the front!)

[KTP]

With scopes like the Owon SDS1702 and even the Agilent DSOX2002, Rigol was never going to be able to keep the $700 or so price they had on the 100mhz 1102 a few years ago, hack or no hack.

[ioclk]

@Votality

Mine works, I did it 3 weeks ago on a freshly received scope (EU distributor). It is a 1052E, HW58 and SW00.02.06

[hnygaard]

Hi, I'm new to the forum.
I just bought a DS1052E from Toolboom when I was in Hong Kong on holiday.

I can second that the firmware is 00.03.01

Has anyone had success downgrading -> modding -> upgrading this version yet? Would be very interesting to hear if Rigol has prevented the currently used method with this new firmware.

[drieg]

...Would be very interesting to hear if Rigol has prevented the currently used method with this new firmware.

Actually they have 
Don't bother with downgrading, it won't work. Rigol has implemented some protection in FW 03.01, so all new units that comes with this version cannot be hacked with this old method anymore.

[hnygaard]

Arrg, tough luck. So much for going all the way to HK for it :/ was looking forward to double the value for money... Guess 50MHz will have to do... Thanks for letting us know, hopefully a new hack can be found.

[amspire]

Arrg, tough luck. So much for going all the way to HK for it :/ was looking forward to double the value for money... Guess 50MHz will have to do... Thanks for letting us know, hopefully a new hack can be found.

There is always the hardware mod to get 100MHz, but you probably do not have the 2nS/div timebase setting.

[nixxon]

Wonder what would happen if a DS1052E FW2.04SP1/HW58 (with DS1102E softmod ) was updated to FW 03.01. Would the scope go bananas? Would it have an identity crisis? Would it suffer badly before finally releasing some magic $330 smoke?

[avp1]

Wonder what would happen if a DS1052E FW2.04SP1/HW58 (with DS1102E softmod ) was updated to FW 03.01. Would the scope go bananas? Would it have an identity crisis? Would it suffer badly before finally releasing some magic $330 smoke?

Nothing happens. It will just work. I have HW58. Original FW was 2.05, downgraded to 2.02, name changed, upgraded to 2.04.1, upgraded to 2.05, upgraded to 3.01. Works well after that as 100MHz scope.

[hnygaard]

There is always the hardware mod to get 100MHz, but you probably do not have the 2nS/div timebase setting.

True, I haven't been able to find a good verification though, and it seems the blogpost here on eev eventually ends up realizing the software mod exists. So if I do that it will be out of necessity - not curiosity.

Still have my fingers crossed that a new firmware mod will be found though..

BTW. the lowest timebase on 03.01 is 5ns/div

[Bryan]

Curious, with HW version of 57 can a user upgrade to 2.0.6 or is anything above 2.05 limited to HW version 58

[jav]

Hello,

Where can I find 2.06 firmware for the "D" series? I checked all 71 pages of this thread without success!

Thanks.

[torch]

You need to read between the lines sometimes. Have a very close look at this post and the link it contains. (there are others too.) One nice thing is the MD5 hash is posted right up front to ensure nothing was corrupted during the transfer.

All the stuff in that link is posted a few other places too, but the above message provides one-stop-shopping. If you just need a specific FW file and want a smaller transfer, see this post instead.

[jav]

Thanks for your help, torch.

Unfortunately both posts you refer to only include DS1000E firmwares, not the DS1000D firmware I'm looking for.

[torch]

OOOPS! Sorry about that. I should have paid closer attention myself.

According to this post and also this post the firmware is the same -- just the serial number changes. However, I cannot personally verify that to be true as I do not have a D model.

[pietr]

So Sfinx, any luck with downgrading your 03.01 unit to 02.0x?

[Sfinx]

So Sfinx, any luck with downgrading your 03.01 unit to 02.0x?

To be able to downgrade I need to have any working dump of the DS1052D 2.5.x/2.4.x version. I've asked the Drieg to send me dump, but seems like he busy or do not will to do this (more than two months passed since request). If I would have the dump it will be possible to replace the calibration data in it whith my unit one and flash it over the 3.0.
 The other approach is to find the 50/100Mhz conditional jump in 3.0 firmware and patch it,  but this assumes good knowing of BF assembler. I can send my 3.0 flash dump to anyone that  have a good experience with BF firmware disassembling and want to reverse it (just contact me privately). For now I figured out how to safely read/write flash through jtag (without resoldering) - http://blog.sfinxsoft.com/rigol-ds1052d-ds1102d-fw-3-0-1/ (sorry, in Russian)

[edin21]

My DS1052E software version 00.03.01.00.00, tell me how to flash on the ds1102E, thanks in advance

[nixxon]

There is always the hardware mod to get 100MHz, but you probably do not have the 2nS/div timebase setting.

(...)
BTW. the lowest timebase on 03.01 is 5ns/div

Do you mean a stock DS1052E with FW 03.01 will have 5nS/div minimum?

Or do you mean that a "DS1102E" (upgraded DS1052E) with FW 03.01 loses the 2 nS/div minimum timebase setting it had with i.e. FW 02.04?

[torch]

A hardware upgrade will improve the frequency response, but the 2ns range is locked out for the DS1052E model. The firmware downgrade / model code change / firmware upgrade procedure is required to select the 2ns range.

[maor]

A hardware upgrade will improve the frequency response, but the 2ns range is locked out for the DS1052E model. The firmware downgrade / model code change / firmware upgrade procedure is required to select the 2ns range.

Got a link for the hardware upgrade?, I got my rigol in the mail yesterday and it came it 3.01...

[torch]

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-chat/the-rigol-ds1052e/msg2040/#msg2040

[Sfinx]

Ok, I've managed to hack the 3.01. The short steps below :

1. Read the flash (jtag/desolder)
2. Get 2.02 upgrade firmware
3. Copy range from 21 to 1431040 bytes to offest 0 of the dump
4. Copy range from 2097152 to end to offset 0x400000 of the dump
5. Flash the image back
6. Power on - you will have the 2.02
7. Hack as usual (INFO/MODEL)
8. Upgrade to 2.5, then 3.01

The only thing I can see is the missing "HardVersion" in my info page. Sure, your mileage may vary.

[adrianblack]

Ok, I've managed to hack the 3.01. The short steps below :

Wow -- impressive. Have you noticed any reason to upgrade older models to 3.01?