EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Groucho2005]

310 De Guigne Road
Sunnyvale

There is no "De Guigne Road" in Sunnyvale, only "De Guigne Drive". Your Norwegian Google Maps is having some kind of seizure. Your map is showing Qualcomm,  3165 Kifer Rd Santa Clara, CA 95051.

[Jay_Diddy_B]

I would not be concerned about the address. Companies in Silicon Valley move faster than Google maps can keep up. It part of the culture. The companies out grow (or shrink) their home and move to different places.

SK Telecom Americas Inc. is at the address:

310 De Guigne Road
Sunnyvale, CA 94085

SK Telecom is Bateroo's VC company. So this part makes sense.

(wrote the same time as the previous post)

If you Google the address you will also find:

http://www.menloequities.com/property-portfolio/86

This shows Maxim as a tenant. But this old historic information.

Regards,

Jay_Diddy_B

[Godzil]

And there could be multiples company in the same building, depends on the building size

[SeanB]

Saw this comic, and somehow it seems appropriate here.........

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3974

[EEVblog]

Dave
Loved the video well done. I can across this while seeing what info was around for single cell boost converters like the one I bought http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/other-electronics/electronic-components/other/auction-1006395137.htm (advertised on eBay as well) cost $2.90 NZ I expected it to be junk and it was. The ripple output voltage is huge I measured this as outputting 1.2 volts pp delivering 5 volts of output into a 47 ohm resistor. This corresponds to a current a bit over 100mA. So if the Batteriser is anything like this piece of junk. I wouldn't even contemplate using it.

Welcome.
Yes, the output ripple voltage could be pretty bad, it's going to be a function of the output current, switching frequency, and output capacitance (which by the physical nature of the Batteriser, must be absolutely tiny) which could include any input capacitance of the product itself.

[EEVblog]

Hi group,
Remember back around reply #1953 a San Jose State University professor (Physics and Astronomy) called Kiumars Parvin was talking up the Batteriser.
Well it turns out the attorney representing Batteroo in the trademark dispute with Energizer happens to be Pardees Parvin.
A coincidence, may be, but www.Whitepages.com has a Kiumars Parvin and a Pardees Parvin at the same address.
I suspect that they might just be related.....

In that case he probably works cheap! 
They could do with that right now I'm guessing.
I wonder what their VC's think about that choice of defense team?
Does the guy have any experience with Trademark law?

[f4eru]

They could always settle quickly with Energizer and change the product name fairly cheaply

Nah ! Energizer will have to be renamed

[EEVblog]

Their defense doesn't look too good:
Pardees Parvin - #291291
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/291291
Current Status:  Active
This member is active and may practice law in California.
9/8/2015 Active
7/1/2015 Suspended, failed to pay Bar membr. fees: Not Eligible To Practice Law
10/25/2013 Admitted to The State Bar of California

Seems to be no record of him being a registered Patent or Trademark Attorney.
If he's just a regular Joe Bloggs attorney then good luck going up against Energiser in a Trademark defense case, a lamb to the slaughter.
Sounds like they aren't serious about defending this trademark?

[TheSteve]

Their defense doesn't look too good:
Pardees Parvin - #291291
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/291291
Current Status:  Active
This member is active and may practice law in California.
9/8/2015 Active
7/1/2015 Suspended, failed to pay Bar membr. fees: Not Eligible To Practice Law
10/25/2013 Admitted to The State Bar of California

Seems to be no record of him being a registered Patent or Trademark Attorney.
If he's just a regular Joe Bloggs attorney then good luck going up against Energiser in a Trademark defense case, a lamb to the slaughter.
Sounds like they aren't serious about defending this trademark?

The lawsuit is just what they need to avoid ever having to ship a product they know doesn't really work. Now they can just go bankrupt "fighting" a lawsuit and fold the company all the while saying they had the best product in the world but it was a crushed by "big battery".

[Brumby]

Not the first time that scenario has been suggested - but it does pretty well write itself, doesn't it?

A sufficiently credible escape route.

[EEVblog]

No messages from backers in the last 10 days. Seems they don't really care?
I find that remarkable out of over 7000 backers.

[SeanB]

More likely they turned on moderation......

[meeder]

The Energiser suit does spoil the fun IMHO. Personally I don't really see people mixing the two up just because there is iser in the name.
Duracel isn't suing Accucell because of the 'cell' part in the name for example... http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/650445/Accucell-RAM-baby-battery-3000-mAh-2pc-15-V

[Brumby]

I think you will find the phonetic comparison between Energizer and Batteriser more interesting:

En	-	er	-	gi	-	zer
Batt	-	er	-	i	-	ser
Different		Same		Very Similar		Same

[jancumps]

I think you will find the phonetic comparison between Energizer and Batteriser more interesting:

En	-	er	-	gi	-	zer
Batt	-	er	-	i	-	ser
Different		Same		Very Similar		Same

The 'er' isn't same phonetically in both.

[SeanB]

There is a difference in Dutch on the ser and zer, but in the USA there is pretty much no difference in US English.

[Fungus]

The Energiser suit does spoil the fun IMHO.

Let's all write to Energizer and get them to drop the lawsuit. 

[meeder]

The Energiser suit does spoil the fun IMHO.

Let's all write to Energizer and get them to drop the lawsuit.  [emoji14]opcorn:

"Please let us have some fun, your lawsuit is probably ending a year long sitcom for us before it ends the way it should" ;-)

[Brumby]

..... on the ser and zer, but in the USA there is pretty much no difference in US English.

Same in Australia

[Kalvin]

Actually Batteroo-gang haven't shipped anything yet, so it is possible that they do not have face any penalties if they just change the Batteriser to something else like Batteroo, and behave well and in good spirit towards the Energizer. After all, they are after the big fish like dumb investors with more money than brain.

[Simon]

lets face it the yanks don't know the difference between "z" and "s" and use them interchangeably a lot of the time.

[Kalvin]

lets face it the yanks don't know the difference between "z" and "s" and use them interchangeably a lot of the time.

For us, the non-native writers/speakers, this is just a good thing as we make fewer mistakes

[Fungus]

Actually Batteroo-gang haven't shipped anything yet, so it is possible that they do not have face any penalties if they just change the Batteriser to something else like Batteroo, and behave well and in good spirit towards the Energizer. After all, they are after the big fish like dumb investors with more money than brain.

Yes but if they have a good excuse to not ship, they'll take it.

Why would they want all the expense and embarrassment of shipping something they know doesn't work?

[Brumby]

... but if they have a good excuse to not ship, they'll take it.

I wonder... What are the odds of them leveraging as much as they can from any litigation.

[SeanB]

800% for sure................