EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[EEVblog]

If people aren't convinced by anti-batteriser videos yet then they won't be convinced by any new tech-heavy ones.

The correct way to respond to this one is with a 3-minute, soundbite-heavy video.

Storyboard
"Only 20% of battery used used? Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope...."  (video of somebody going from device to device to device with a multimeter, nb. no explanation given, just say "nope, nope, nope...")

"GPS only lasts 2 hours? Nope. Current spikes shutting it down? Nope." (video of 5ky's GPS machine still ticking after 16.5 hours, with graph of time and current spikes)

"Calling us 'amateur teenage bloggers' with no real experience? LOL!" (video of Batteroo's engineer's workbench with price labels above their $60 eBay power supply, unused soldering irons, $70 Hantek current logger, etc. Cut to obviously non-teenage Dave, Dave's hardware with price labels above it, 5ky's hardware with price labels above it, etc. "Who's the amateurs here?")

"Measuring batteries open circuit, pretending they're still good then sticking them up a monkey's butt? Definitely!" (video of Batteroo measuring batteries, cut to video of Dave measuring dead batteries at 1.25V open circuit, his voltage recover curves, sticking them in his monkey and watching it run even when they were at 0.5V under load)

"Batteroo constantly changing their story to match facts as they are revealed to them? Priceless!" (montage of snapshots of all the edits and story-reversals we've got archived from their online comments)

I've been thinking a short summary video along those lines is needed, and of course would be funny, but not sure I could be bothered.

[ozwolf]

Hi Dave,

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

Ozwolf

[ccs46]

Hi Dave,

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

Ozwolf

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[edy]

Hi Dave,

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

Ozwolf

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[ozwolf]

Hi Dave,

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

Ozwolf

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I second that! Give him 8x cookies...  [emoji514] [emoji514] [emoji514] [emoji514] [emoji514] [emoji514] [emoji514] [emoji514]

Geez, I'm gonna get fat again.  Thanks any way.

[samgab]

It sounds to me like they're going to write the article on this subject either way.
They've given Dave the opportunity to have a share in how it's presented.
I think it would be a shame to reject that opportunity.

[FrankBuss]

Hi Dave,

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

Ozwolf

Maybe I don't get the irony, but of course you can be confident before you have a Batteriser to test, because of physical laws and technical facts, like the bullshit that a boosted battery suddenly shows 100% full in a wireless keyboard. For all we know, and not the surpised user, it could suddenly die the next minute.

There should be a xkcd.com comic about it
panel 1: Mac keyboard with normal battery, level shows 10%
panel 2: zoom: put the Batterieser sleeve on it and back into the keyboard
panel 3: level shows 100%, stick man smiles, dumb comment from him
panel 4: one minute later: level shows 0%, clever comment from the woman from the back

[AmmoJammo]

If you haven't already noticed, they've shared another persons videos... 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

[FrankBuss]

In other "news" new video out.

Well if you can call it "new", just the same crap, and that voltage spike theory is so busted by 5ky´s test

I just watched it, and all they say now is that the Batterieser helps with the voltage spikes, which is not a problem with the Garmin GPS device as independently demonstrated? Maybe the UL test failed and now they replace the ASIC boost converter with a bridge wire, selling a glorified capacitor

[samgab]

If you haven't already noticed, they've shared another persons videos... 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

Yeah... I took a look at the rest of the content that ...person... has uploaded. There's nothing suspicious about the dislikes he's received. They're just genuine dislikes to his content. Heck, I disliked it myself.  If that's the sort of person the batteroo team want on their side, they're welcome to him!

[joseph.anand]

Time to expose the Batteroo Indian shills for posterity:

'We tested the Batteriser sleeve in our lab and we confirmed that the Batteriser taps into the 80 percent of energy that is usually thrown away.' Dr Kiumars Parvin

'How to make your batteries last 8x longer' video
Lakshmi Narasimhan

I'm Indian, and "Kiumars" is not an Indian name. "Kumar " though is. And the only two Dr. Praveen Kumar's EEs I could find where one from IIT Guwahati and another from BITS. I do not think either have anything to do with this crap.

[jippie]

If you haven't already noticed, they've shared another persons videos... 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

This guy in the video does have (sort of) a point: I think that in this thread alone more engineering hours have been spent than can be paid from the 300k$ IGG campain.

Of course he disregards the fact that someone is (potentially) making a lot of money, but that is besides the point I want to make.

[GNU_Ninja]

I saw that earlier. It made me smile when I was the survey was being done by SurveyMonkey.

So we've gone from monkey-probing to a probing monkey?

McBryce.

An infinite number of marketing monkeys with typewriters churning out Batteroo propaganda.

 

[joseph.anand]

Do the newspaper thing Dave.  Don't let the all-media-are-out-to-get-us posse put you off. 😃

Unless they agree to let you review the content they are going to publish, don't. I have seen cases where even technical magazines (like IEEE Spectrum) have misquoted the interviewee. Any additional views you may get for your videos will drastically die down after a few months as it will be purely a temporary phenomenon.

[Wytnucls]

Time to expose the Batteroo Indian shills for posterity:

'We tested the Batteriser sleeve in our lab and we confirmed that the Batteriser taps into the 80 percent of energy that is usually thrown away.' Dr Kiumars Parvin

'How to make your batteries last 8x longer' video
Lakshmi Narasimhan

I'm Indian, and "Kiumars" is not an Indian name. "Kumar " though is. And the only two Dr. Praveen Kumar's EEs I could find where one from IIT Guwahati and another from BITS. I do not think either have anything to do with this crap.

Correct, not Indian, probably Iranian. Country roots are not that important. What is important is that educated people are making outrageous statements in support of Batteroo's wild claims.

[joseph.anand]

Time to expose the Batteroo Indian shills for posterity:

'We tested the Batteriser sleeve in our lab and we confirmed that the Batteriser taps into the 80 percent of energy that is usually thrown away.' Dr Kiumars Parvin

'How to make your batteries last 8x longer' video
Lakshmi Narasimhan

I'm Indian, and "Kiumars" is not an Indian name. "Kumar " though is. And the only two Dr. Praveen Kumar's EEs I could find where one from IIT Guwahati and another from BITS. I do not think either have anything to do with this crap.

Correct, not Indian, probably Iranian. Country roots are not that important. What is important is that educated people are making outrageous statements in support of Batteroo's wild claims.

This is the guy http://www.sjsu.edu/people/kiumars.parvin/  (http://www.recyclinginternational.com/recycling-news/8815/e-scrap-and-batteries/united-states/bringing-used-batteries-back-dead)

From what I can see, he is no EE.

[joseph.anand]

Another "quality post" from a Batteriser supporter

[firewalker]

They are in panic. I guess they was expecting near a million from the IGG campaign.

Alexander.

[samgab]

Another "quality post" from a Batteriser supporter [/url]

He's an infantile view-whore, jumping on the bandwagon. His dislikes on this video will be genuine too, I'd suggest.

[Joule Thief]

If you haven't already noticed, they've shared another persons videos... 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

they will have to send him a memo to have him stop calling it a

"battery-er-iser"   

and repeating the chant " it's only two fiddy, hell yeah I'm going buy it - not like I have to take out a mortgage or nuttin' "

the new promo campaign will be

Battery-er-iser, what the hell, it's only two fiddy

[Rasz]

Hi Dave,

I believe your response to the newspaper should be along the lines of "when I get a Batteriser to test, I'm happy to be interviewed."

Only then can you be confident of the outcome.

Ozwolf

'when I get a solar roadway then Ill be happy to do an interview' ...

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

Crunch crackle crunch Batteryizer YoYo dur dur Batteryizer freakin ain't I whatever....
BTW love the Rocky Cat.....You, not so much.

A real brain trust in that video. Nuff said.

If you haven't already noticed, they've shared another persons videos... 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFr9QYi8Yq2ckWYPx_Vui8A

[timofonic]

Time to expose the Batteroo Indian shills for posterity:

'We tested the Batteriser sleeve in our lab and we confirmed that the Batteriser taps into the 80 percent of energy that is usually thrown away.' Dr Kiumars Parvin

'How to make your batteries last 8x longer' video
Lakshmi Narasimhan

I'm Indian, and "Kiumars" is not an Indian name. "Kumar " though is. And the only two Dr. Praveen Kumar's EEs I could find where one from IIT Guwahati and another from BITS. I do not think either have anything to do with this crap.

Correct, not Indian, probably Iranian. Country roots are not that important. What is important is that educated people are making outrageous statements in support of Batteroo's wild claims.

This is the guy http://www.sjsu.edu/people/kiumars.parvin/  (http://www.recyclinginternational.com/recycling-news/8815/e-scrap-and-batteries/united-states/bringing-used-batteries-back-dead)

From what I can see, he is no EE.

Professor, Physics & Astronomy

Oh yes! Why nobody did provide that info before?

What about the rest of people involved? This smells more than ever.

[Kjelt]

Perhaps  a chemist knows more about batteries than an EE, why should a physicist not know more about batteries than an EE ?

[mikron]

Another "quality post" from a Batteriser supporter

A sock puppet playing with sock muppets...