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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1425 on: January 14, 2019, 06:07:25 am »
Any chance of a higher-resolution photo, Dave?
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1426 on: January 14, 2019, 09:23:22 am »
Any chance of a higher-resolution photo, Dave?

I'm working on it.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1427 on: January 14, 2019, 09:34:05 am »
In a devkit, why would they supply an open-frame SMPS instead of an enclosed desktop type PSU?
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1428 on: January 14, 2019, 09:57:58 am »
In a devkit, why would they supply an open-frame SMPS instead of an enclosed desktop type PSU?
I thought that was weird. These days EVM makers are normally very concious about not exposing high voltages, unless its an EVM for actual high voltage devices. It really complicates approval and liability related issues, even though you may be supplying the EVM as a tool for competent engineers to work with.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1429 on: January 14, 2019, 10:43:45 am »
This is the highest res photo available

 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1430 on: January 14, 2019, 10:49:35 am »
The transducers. Note the acoustically transparent white visual alignment squares.

 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1431 on: January 14, 2019, 10:54:02 am »
So, what are we looking at here? From the white squares I assume there are 2 receiver arrays. From the different colours I assume they are of 2 types. Is the rectangular array the transmitter? What is the white thing at the top right?
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1432 on: January 14, 2019, 11:19:00 am »
Looks like someone had fun with side cutters removing the little grilles on a bunch of Murata transducers to make them look different
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1433 on: January 14, 2019, 11:23:20 am »
I wonder if that's a real eval kit, or just some stuff they threw in a box to make it look like they have an eval kit.
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1434 on: January 14, 2019, 11:40:34 am »
Note that the left hand transducer array has white marks on the side of each one, likely some sort of production test pass marking.
Doesn't make sense if they are COTS, but if they are the uBeam ones, the large COTS-like plastic package doesn't makes sense either.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1435 on: January 14, 2019, 11:41:57 am »
I wonder if that's a real eval kit, or just some stuff they threw in a box to make it look like they have an eval kit.

Maybe it's just a demo assortment for the show?
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1436 on: January 14, 2019, 11:47:28 am »
What is the white thing at the top right?

I presume the white frame thingo is part of the vision system. There is a pin header on the bottom so it's something active. A spare vision tracking frame around it by the looks of it.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1437 on: January 14, 2019, 12:00:20 pm »
Looks like some lower profile transducers that are possibly SMD mounted. Even lower density than the through hole transducers though.

 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1438 on: January 14, 2019, 02:01:52 pm »
« Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 03:19:31 pm by StillTrying »
.  That took much longer than I thought it would.
 
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1439 on: January 14, 2019, 02:11:09 pm »
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1440 on: January 14, 2019, 02:51:06 pm »

I thought that was weird. These days EVM makers are normally very concious about not exposing high voltages, unless its an EVM for actual high voltage devices. It really complicates approval and liability related issues, even though you may be supplying the EVM as a tool for competent engineers to work with.

I don't think they intend to do an official approval for this. They would make ~10 units, keep ~6 inside, and supply ~4 to friendly partners.

 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1441 on: January 14, 2019, 03:17:39 pm »
How many watts do we reckon the power supply is:

 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1442 on: January 14, 2019, 04:54:17 pm »
https://oshpark.com/profiles/ubeam
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4arGdU-Y_7YJ:https://oshpark.com/profiles/ubeam  :horse:

Edit. I was looking in google's cache because they've shared other boards in the past!

Holy crap that's hilarious. Thank you - I've updated my blog post to include this, and waybacked it too. No covering up this embarrassment.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1443 on: January 14, 2019, 04:57:34 pm »
Looks like some lower profile transducers that are possibly SMD mounted. Even lower density than the through hole transducers though.


I think those are custom uBeam transducers, a prestressed uni/bimorph or cantilever, basically a variation on the Murata, and certainly does not meet the specs announced in the Oct 17 pitch deck.
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1444 on: January 14, 2019, 05:01:41 pm »
How many watts do we reckon the power supply is:


About 60, but doubt you can read much into it
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1445 on: January 14, 2019, 05:06:27 pm »
Note that the left hand transducer array has white marks on the side of each one, likely some sort of production test pass marking.
Doesn't make sense if they are COTS, but if they are the uBeam ones, the large COTS-like plastic package doesn't makes sense either.

My guess is that almost everything in the box is COTS and what was used in the demo, and that the proprietary transducers are in the bottom right and were just for "show and tell"
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1446 on: January 14, 2019, 08:13:33 pm »
How many watts do we reckon the power supply is:
About 60, but doubt you can read much into it

It's a lot more than my existing phone charger, that's for sure...
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1447 on: January 14, 2019, 10:23:13 pm »
What is the white thing at the top right?

I presume the white frame thingo is part of the vision system.

Could it be rows of SMD IR LEDs.
.  That took much longer than I thought it would.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1448 on: January 14, 2019, 10:59:04 pm »
How many watts do we reckon the power supply is:


About 60, but doubt you can read much into it

Well, you can read that you wouldn't use a 60W-100W+ class open frame PSU if you only needed a couple of watts, otherwise you could have just used a consumer plugpack.

I can't see how they could have used this open frame and clearly mains input PSU as a demo on a trade show though, even the most incompetent engineer would not put that kit together for a demo.
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #1449 on: January 14, 2019, 11:06:00 pm »
So what is this "Burst circuit"?
Clearly they got another board made as the photo shows a 2nd board attached to the Burst circuit, and the silkscreen is different on the OHSpark one vs the photo unit.
A guess would be that the "burst circuit" perhaps decodes any data modulation on the ultrasonic, and the board next to it is the energy harvesting circuit?
 


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