EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Godzil]

@Dave & Rasz: Yeah I know that this is what they are doing, but please leave me in my dream world where people create companies/startup just in the goal of making product they are proud of, not just for money, and didn't care at all about the product.

If that sort of crap people (sorry, but I can't think anything else from such people) wasn't existing, the world would not be really better, but at least a bit better.. I all company where making product they are proud of, and not with the first goal of printing money, we would not have all of that patent trolls, scammers, etc.. 

[AmmoJammo]

I don't know what he's talking about "Vietnam trolls" or why he's complaining about 1 dislike on a video... but I was more than happy to go through and dislike about 100 of his videos 

[jancumps]

Your comments in that on Vietnam as a country are unsolicited for. Pfft

[mikerj]

I don't know what he's talking about "Vietnam trolls" or why he's complaining about 1 dislike on a video... but I was more than happy to go through and dislike about 100 of his videos 

syyenergy7 is your stereotypical weapons grade conspiracy nutter.  Never one to let basic facts get in the way of a good rant, especially if it involves free energy, magic cancer curing boxes and American foreign policy. 

[Barny]

Oh, look.
Now he gets down votes from the naz* hater of EEVBlog.
Fascinating

[AmmoJammo]

Oh, look.
Now he gets down votes from the naz* hater of EEVBlog.
Fascinating

A job well done! 

I wonder what would happen if he made a video titled "Like this video if you think I'm an idiot"

[robby1995]

I think the dislikes he is ranting about came from me 
After his first batterizer video i disliked everything on his channel

[jancumps]

Why don't we just stop doing things like that?

[rpannen]

I was thinking about how they fit the inductor in the small space. Has anyone ever tried to use an inductor made of pcb copper traces for a boost converter?

Here's a paper about multilayer pcb inductors: http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?paperID=29914

[Wytnucls]

A multilayer board would increase thickness and cost substantially.
Plenty of small inductors exist which would fit in the restricted donut gap around the AA/AAA battery positive nib.
According to the drawings released by Batteriser, the inductor has a slightly bigger footprint than their QFN IC (2x2mm?).
With a 1~1.5MHz oscillator frequency and a claimed delivery of 1.5A at 1.5V, the 2.2~4.7uH inductor would have to be rated for about 3A, which seems unrealistic within the space available.

[AmmoJammo]

*sits and waits*

They must already be in production then? Or very close to it.

Anyone seen the AAA, C, and D sized versions yet?

[Wytnucls]

They are giving away free batterisers with each referral, to increase the client base. It is good to inflate the Indigogo contributions, but will hurt when shipping of the product actually happens.
Very few of the large order Indigogo options were fulfilled, pointing to a 'let's first see what these things can do' attitude from the public.

[EEVblog]

This Gizmodo article doesn't muck around!
http://gizmodo.com/dont-buy-the-bullshit-this-indiegogo-campaign-is-sellin-1732402971

If Batteroo are worried about my big audience, try Gizmodo 

[Halcyon]

This Gizmodo article doesn't muck around!
http://gizmodo.com/dont-buy-the-bullshit-this-indiegogo-campaign-is-sellin-1732402971

If Batteroo are worried about my big audience, try Gizmodo 

I think the average reader has established a long time ago that Batteroo are running scared. They are at the point where they HAVE to release "something" in terms of a tangible product rather than pulling out at this late stage. Whether it works as promised is hardly the point anymore (as we all know, that was busted long ago). They'd be just about in "disaster recovery" mode while probably trying to write off whatever losses they can as tax write-off's etc...

[EEVblog]

They are at the point where they HAVE to release "something" in terms of a tangible product rather than pulling out at this late stage.

Pulling out was never an option. This isn't a couple of schmucks in a garage, it's a professional VC backed company with big names on the board of directors, with a ton of resources, money, and experience. They'll ride this donkey all the way into town, with bells on.
The biggest mistake they made was to try and defend their (ever changing) technical claims, they should have just kept quiet and most likely everyone would have forgotten all about it.

[firewalker]

Did Gizmodo asked for a sample?

Alexander.

[Godzil]

*sits and waits*

They must already be in production then? Or very close to it.

Anyone seen the AAA, C, and D sized versions yet?

Surprizingly, I have more confidence in a chinese run kickstarter to be able to deliver the first just one month after the begining of the campaign (see Seeed's Re-Phone kickstarter) than batteroo abilities to deliver something in november so more than 6 month after the beginning of the campaign

[EEVblog]

I suspect Bob won't be doing any more interviews. He's now been shot down in flames in the latest two articles in the Sydney Morning Herald and now Gizmodo.
Oops.

[Joule Thief]

most recent changes to the batteriser website

http://www.changedetection.com/log/batteriser/index_log2.html

[EEVblog]

most recent changes to the batteriser website
http://www.changedetection.com/log/batteriser/index_log2.html

Sounds like UL tapped them on the shoulder.

[Fungus]

"The wave of bad publicity led to a few changes: Batteriser changed its website and video, to remove the claim that ‘all’ batteries have 80% capacity remaining (a mistake Roohparvar told me was because of a “miscommunication” between the engineers and the “website guys”);?

 

[EEVblog]

"The wave of bad publicity led to a few changes: Batteriser changed its website and video, to remove the claim that ‘all’ batteries have 80% capacity remaining (a mistake Roohparvar told me was because of a “miscommunication” between the engineers and the “website guys”);?

The website guys made the official promo video too? 
https://youtu.be/4iEshd6izgk?t=33m52s

[Fungus]

"The wave of bad publicity led to a few changes: Batteriser changed its website and video, to remove the claim that ‘all’ batteries have 80% capacity remaining (a mistake Roohparvar told me was because of a “miscommunication” between the engineers and the “website guys”);?

The website guys made the official promo video too? 
https://youtu.be/4iEshd6izgk?t=33m52s

Weirdly enough, today's Batteriser web site implies that it's all of them:

Devices only tap into 20% of a Battary's charge before it[sic] tells you the battery is "dead". Batteriser taps into the other 80%..

I wonder if the IndieGoGo backers have been told the official numbers have gone from "8x" to "80% more" (which is only 1.8x).

...or is it 5x more (ie. going from 20% to 100%)??   I guess math isn't their strong point 

Maybe it's just that Batteroo have never done the thunderingly obvious test of actually measuring things then publishing a list like this:

Example battery life increase:

Flashlights: XX% longer
Monkeys: YY% longer...

etc.

[WN1X]

This Gizmodo article doesn't muck around!
http://gizmodo.com/dont-buy-the-bullshit-this-indiegogo-campaign-is-sellin-1732402971

If Batteroo are worried about my big audience, try Gizmodo 

Yes, that was a great article I was greeted with this morning on Gizmodo while drinking my coffee. And I loved the title 

[WN1X]

The website guys made the official promo video too? 
https://youtu.be/4iEshd6izgk?t=33m52s

Next, they will be blaming it on the monkey!