EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[EEVblog]

I am assuming that Batteriser checks this forum from time to time, so:
Bob, It would really calm people down if you show evidence that you are doing something with their investment. A simple, quick, picture of the Batteriser on the production line would do you a world of good.
... and I'm sure I'm going to get some commentary from the locals....

Batteriser do indeed read this forum.
And we have asked this of them countless times. They never provide any response at all, either here, or elsewhere.
Our questions always go unanswered. Perhaps now you can understand why this thread has taken on a life of it's own, it's because Batteriser do not want to play.

[akohler]

What could Bob have to say to this forum? NOTHING!
He would be just making a fool of himself! That's why he dont show up here.

Agreed, but that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm looking for a proxy, someone here who has contributed to the Batteriser Indiegogo campain, that can post there.

Countless people have done that. Mostly their comments on IGG get deleted when they try and raise any issues.

Thanks for the feedback. but nevermind. I was hoping that positive and constructive communication in indiegogo forum would encourage batteriser to communicate better. I still think I have a good idea, but I'm not going to argue it anymore.

[EEVblog]

Thanks for the feedback. but nevermind. I was hoping that positive and constructive communication in indiegogo forum would encourage batteriser to communicate better.

Unfortunately it doesn't work.
We are not a forum full of haters, we genuinely want Batteriser to answer all the technical and campaign questions we have. But they have done nothing but call us everything under the sun. And Bob has even personally accused me in a national newspaper of being a paid shill of "big battery" 
If you have been following this form the beginning you would know every back-peddle they have done, every false claim they have retracted or changed, every accusation they have made against me and others, every time they have distorted facts, the threats, the paid dislike campaigns, the weird associations with their social media pages, and the list goes on. All the time providing literally zero real communications with the community after countless requests that have been so thoroughly ignored, it's no wonder why hardly anyone bothers any more except to make jokes about them.

[digsys]

.... but I'm not going to argue it anymore. 

GOOD, we live in hope :-)

[akohler]

Thanks for the feedback. but nevermind. I was hoping that positive and constructive communication in indiegogo forum would encourage batteriser to communicate better.

Unfortunately it doesn't work.
We are not a forum full of haters, we genuinely want Batteriser to answer all the technical and campaign questions we have. But they have done nothing but call us everything under the sun. And Bob has even personally accused me in a national newspaper of being a paid shill of "big battery" 
If you have been following this form the beginning you would know every back-peddle they have done, every false claim they have retracted or changed, every accusation they have made against me and others, every time they have distorted facts, the threats, the paid dislike campaigns, the weird associations with their social media pages, and the list goes on. All the time providing literally zero real communications with the community after countless requests that have been so thoroughly ignored, it's no wonder why hardly anyone bothers any more except to make jokes about them.

I've been intently following Batteriser since September. My girlfriend (who totally exists) is tired of hearing about it. I truly get everyones' argument, and understand eneryones' feelings.

[Muttley Snickers]

The first animated video linked below is a fine example that they have no clue in addition to no solution to a problem that they themselves created, whether it’s a work in progress or an abandoned project the outcome for all concerned is the same, no practical beneficial product.

The second video is just more marketing drivel but granted it is new which is something we haven’t seen for a while.

Our hero with a pouch, Rooh.....


More of the same garbage.....

[EEVblog]

Those cartoon videos, 
Who made those?

[akohler]

More of the same garbage.....

I would totally sex that.

[Muttley Snickers]

Those cartoon videos, 
Who made those?

It wasn't me, I only found the silly thing's, blame and shame somebody else.

[Brumby]

I truly get everyones' argument, and understand eneryones' feelings.

Then why persist?

Every scrap of hard evidence demonstrates that Batteroo does not and does not intend to have a product to bring to market.  IF they did, then they would have been far more communicative with details irrespective of how fired up everyone got.  They shouldn't need to be asked to provide updates.  As well as being a fundamental responsibility to their supporters, it's a basic courtesy.  Honest businesses must be able to cope with emotional outbursts and look after their customers with professionalism.  That word seems to be missing from Bob's lexicon.

Many people have tried MANY times to get a constructive response from Batteroo, by all manner of methods - including the open, non-threatening invitation.  If you've read through this thread, you will have seen that, but there have been other approaches as well.  You also are somewhat presumptuous by taking a position that indicates you (a) have not fully (or even partially) appreciated the efforts others have made and (b) have not considered the length of time over which these efforts have been made.

From the outset, Batteroo have been very careful in what has been said - and very silent on a lot of details that are somewhat pertinent.  This behaviour begs the question: WHY?


Why do you think you are going to be successful in getting Batteroo to start communicating properly?

[TheDirty]

Those cartoon videos, 
Who made those?

I found those a while ago.  Made by a small firm that does app development.  They have a few 'samples', which I think are more test runs to try and sell their advertising.  I'm not certain Batteroo had anything to do with them.

[akohler]

Then why persist?

I stopped persisting.

[Muttley Snickers]

Those cartoon videos, 
Who made those?

I found those a while ago.  Made by a small firm that does app development.  They have a few 'samples', which I think are more test runs to try and sell their advertising.  I'm not certain Batteroo had anything to do with them.

This appears to be the case, mind you they are recent uploads, looks like we did the mob a favour.

[quad]

What about this idea, outside the box, but hey...

Batteroo use their connections to deliver backers a different product, say a few high capacity USB flash drives, roughly of the same value that of the Batteriser people bought.

They say something along the lines of, "Batteriser is facing some large delays due to 'x', we'd like to offer our backers some high capacity USB flash drive in place of the Batteriser. Please let us know if you want the drives in place of the Batteriser. The Batteriser project is expecting delays of up to 12 months, you can wait, or take the flash drive(s) now."

Saves face (kinda) and gets the angry people out of the way. Sure USB drives are not Batterisers, but knowing what we know, who'd even want them apart for testing and to make fun of them?

[Brumby]

I wouldn't hold my breath for any such 'peace offering'.

[Wytnucls]

'It provides seed funding up to $1 million in the form of a promissory note. SKTA Innopartners LLC is based in Sunnyvale, California.'

Promissory notes usually come with lots of strings attached.
It is not certain that SKTA parted with any money yet.

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=242028870

[samgab]

Quote from: digsys on Today at 10:18:58 AM

Quote from: akohler

.... but I'm not going to argue it anymore. 

GOOD, we live in hope :-)

https://youtu.be/dm9_H7GCxlg

[samgab]

Quote from: EEVblog on Today at 11:01:04 AM

Those cartoon videos, 
Who made those?

Come on now, those cartoon vids are as classy, informed, and scientifically based as this classic:
https://youtu.be/brdmnUBAS00

(I've linked to that video before, but it's so good it bears repeating, IMO)

[SL4P]

This tread is turning into a anal discussion on so many levels!   

We need to probe the reason.

[ez24]

5000 did i make it

[SL4P]

Comunicate with a liear?   

 You're better of trying to Comunicate intelectualy with Donald Trump!

Whoaa!  That's taking it down a whole 'nother level...

[SL4P]

Agreed, but that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm looking for a proxy, someone here who has contributed to the Batteriser Indiegogo campain, that can post there.

AYFK?  There have been several EEVblog members, with multiple posts to IGG - and their questioning, or critical post have been deleted by the IGG campaign moderators.

[Brumby]

Quote from: EEVblog on Today at 11:01:04 AM

Those cartoon videos, 
Who made those?

Come on now, those cartoon vids are as classy, informed, and scientifically based as this classic:
https://youtu.be/brdmnUBAS00

(I've linked to that video before, but it's so good it bears repeating, IMO)

[SL4P]

More of the same garbage.....

Oddly - that (second) video is entirely misleading in itself - as it shows the actual battery charge increasing. (green bars)...   The depiction should have shown the device showing higher perceived charge level - if anything at all.

OK, I guess the producers were working on a brief from Batteroo - and we know they clearly don't know how their proposed device works.

[Simon]

Quote from: EEVblog on Today at 11:01:04 AM

Those cartoon videos, 
Who made those?

Come on now, those cartoon vids are as classy, informed, and scientifically based as this classic:
https://youtu.be/brdmnUBAS00

(I've linked to that video before, but it's so good it bears repeating, IMO)

  He almost kept a straight face right to the end