EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[EEVblog]

We have a product that works.
We SHOW it works LIVE unlike Batteroo.
The stated statistics are irrelevant - our campaign is rubbish - we had to do something to get peoples' attention.
We won't get the product to market even though it has benefits and not a scam such as the Batteroo product.
Do you doubt our product has benefits? Such as 3 weeks of light and 75% reduction in wet chemical toxins?

Hi
You are welcome here to discuss your product, but if oyu want to do that then please start another thread. This thread is already incredibly long and must be kept for discussion of the Batteriser only.

[al brown]

Thanks.

Started thread in "Crowdfunding" section.

Is that correct place?

cheers

[ez24]

Thanks.

Started thread in "Crowdfunding" section.

Is that correct place?

cheers

Nice to see a woman join the forum, nice picture of you in the avatar Al! Short for Alice?

Their profile says male so "he" is a good looking cross dresser - probably the best on this forum   

[g.lewarne]

I figured they would, but my comments on the Batteriser facebook page calling them out on the missing PCB / Positive end cap on their two most recent postings have been removed

I am really starting to think they are going to ship them without the PCB actually installed!  Will be hilarious if they do 

[meeder]

I figured they would, but my comments on the Batteriser facebook page calling them out on the missing PCB / Positive end cap on their two most recent postings have been removed

I am really starting to think they are going to ship them without the PCB actually installed!  Will be hilarious if they do

Interesting to see if the placebo effect will be strong with this one ;-)

[SL4P]

I don't know if this has been pointed out earlier, but I see www.batteriser.com have posted a banner image that claims only 80% more energy from a battery...
Almost likely.
But the caption beneath it suggests they aren't too sure - or want to generate a point of confusion to challenge any blow-back from the previous 800% claims...?  (Or have no idea what they're talking about)

[Fungus]

I don't know if this has been pointed out earlier, but I see www.batteriser.com have posted a banner image that claims only 80% more energy from a battery...

Yes, we've seen it.

That's just batteriser math. The text at the bottom of that image already contradicts it ("the other 80%" = 400% more).

[drussell]

Is it possible to reply to a response on IGG?

Someone should respond with something like:

So that means the battery gauge on my device won't work any more once a Batteriser is installed?

Also, still no word on timeframe for shipping:

[g.lewarne]

I can see one of two things happening.  Either they don't ship, ever.  Or, they ship the bare sleeves without the PCB installed and hope placebo takes effect.  I called them out twice on their most recent facebook posts, they deleted my comments (one of which, about the missing PCB positive end cap had over a hundred thumbs up) and have seemingly turned off all comments on their timeline.

Ive got my popcorn and am looking forward to the show

[EEVblog]

Either they don't ship, ever.  Or, they ship the bare sleeves without the PCB installed and hope placebo takes effect.

That is a ludicrous suggestion. Never going to happen.

[timofonic]

Thanks.

Started thread in "Crowdfunding" section.

Is that correct place?

cheers

Nice to see a woman join the forum, nice picture of you in the avatar Al! Short for Alice?

Their profile says male so "he" is a good looking cross dresser - probably the best on this forum   

Cultural tip: Did you know Crossdresser clubs started at England?

Nothing wrong with that! Crossdresser electronics people: Welcome to EEvBLOG

Anyway, I this inspired me to write a post titled "Sexuality, genders and technology" based on personal experiences and occasional looking into it. You can read it if you want

[drussell]

Either they don't ship, ever.  Or, they ship the bare sleeves without the PCB installed and hope placebo takes effect.

That is a ludicrous suggestion. Never going to happen.

Agreed....  That is just ridiculous.

They are most likely going to ship the product we expect (a DC-DC converter as best they can manage to conjure up to meet their lofty goals) or a slim chance of never shipping anything but I seriously doubt they'll ship nothing.

They'll ship the best that current state of the art electronics and basic physics will allow but I can't see how it's going to be anywhere near their goals or marketing claims.

[RogerRowland]

They'll ship the best that current state of the art electronics and basic physics will allow but I can't see how it's going to be anywhere near their goals or marketing claims.

+1. This.

[EEVblog]

They are most likely going to ship the product we expect (a DC-DC converter as best they can manage to conjure up to meet their lofty goals) or a slim chance of never shipping anything but I seriously doubt they'll ship nothing.
They'll ship the best that current state of the art electronics and basic physics will allow but I can't see how it's going to be anywhere near their goals or marketing claims.

Yep, I'm 95% sure this is what will happen.
I suspect they'll be a bit late though, but we'll get a product that looks and basically works as claimed, but it's performance, well, that doesn't stand a chance in hell of meeting their claims. We'll find out within a month or two most likely.

[SL4P]

I wonder how many revs of the board (and mfg cycle) they will use before they release?
I suspect they are so arrogant, they will build half a million of rev 1.0, then discover something important... beyond the fact it doesn't deliver as claimed!

[Kalvin]

They are most likely going to ship the product we expect (a DC-DC converter as best they can manage to conjure up to meet their lofty goals) or a slim chance of never shipping anything but I seriously doubt they'll ship nothing.
They'll ship the best that current state of the art electronics and basic physics will allow but I can't see how it's going to be anywhere near their goals or marketing claims.

Yep, I'm 95% sure this is what will happen.
I suspect they'll be a bit late though, but we'll get a product that looks and basically works as claimed, but it's performance, well, that doesn't stand a chance in hell of meeting their claims. We'll find out within a month or two most likely.

Naah. They will be late because they needed to send the reference GPS, monkey and the LED flashlight for repair because they fail to work long enough with the new batteriser. It will take a while to get them back from the manufacturer.

[Fungus]

I suspect they are so arrogant, they will build half a million of rev 1.0, then discover something important...

Important enough to need a new capital injection and a few more months of testing?

(because they care about quality and can't possibly ship a substandard product!)

[EEVblog]

I suspect they are so arrogant, they will build half a million of rev 1.0, then discover something important...

You mean like spending many years in development, running a huge big budget Indiegogo, and then figuring out it isn't very efficient at high current loads mere weeks before delivery?

[SL4P]

I suspect they are so arrogant, they will build half a million of rev 1.0, then discover something important...

You mean like spending many years in development, running a huge big budget Indiegogo, and then figuring out it isn't very efficient at high current loads mere weeks before delivery?

Blinded by their self-confidence... in itself, not a bad thing - but when lying and wasting a lot of other people's money... tends to take the gloss off.  But a least the gloss will last 8x as long!

[EEVblog]

But a least the gloss will last 8x as long!

You mean 5x, 80% of the unused gloss!

[Fungus]

I suspect they are so arrogant, they will build half a million of rev 1.0, then discover something important...

You mean like spending many years in development, running a huge big budget Indiegogo, and then figuring out it isn't very efficient at high current loads mere weeks before delivery?

To be fair: It was only a few weeks ago that you that pointed out the problems to them.

And you saw how they upgraded their laboratory between the 'Monkey' video and the 'Tech' video. That might have helped them find the flaw in the custom silicon.

[Delta]

I suspect they'll be a bit late though, but we'll get a product that looks and basically works as claimed, but it's performance, well, that doesn't stand a chance in hell of meeting their claims.

That's the crux of the entire thing right there Dave!

Will it work?  As in produce 1.5v from a cell sitting at <1.5v?  Yes.

Will it perform?  As in extend battery life by 8x (or even at all).  Certainly not.  Physics always wins.

[@rt]

Hi Guys,
I have tried searching for a thread in here that Dave mentioned in a video.
Apparently has done some testing and posted results?
Any help finding the thread?
Cheers, Brek.

[Marcel_X]

Hi Guys,
I have tried searching for a thread in here that Dave mentioned in a video.
Apparently has done some testing and posted results?
Any help finding the thread?
Cheers, Brek.

Hi Brek,

Maybe you mean these videos made by TechnologyCatalyst. He's on this forum too.

Part 1:
Part 2:
And the summary in Part 3:

[5ky]

"November" is running out, and we still haven't heard a peep out of Batteriser....