I hate it when the shipping is includet in the item price.
The tax-free value is calculated only with the item-price.
But if the item price is over 22€, vou have to pay the 20% tax for item and shipping.
The tax-free value is calculated only with the item-price.
Quite an interesting video and man. I like to say it's a considerable advantage to see whom we're buying from or selling to. Commercial relations also are human relations first and a visual contact is an asset (should work both ways, of course).
Other than that I would have been interested in confirming (or not) what someone told me about the Chinese and CCC*. As he spent a few months in China he said to me their pride lies in satisfying their customer, they want to honour the customer wishes and desires. So if their customer wants even lower prices they actually will honour that, making no compromise like we would (wish to). He said the Chinese already manufacture at lower prices by default and even good, quality hardware; it's only (occidental?) companies, wanting to maximize their profits, who kind of "force" even lower prices and flood the occidental markets with cheap, crappy devices. There undeniably are quality-manufactured devices but China is mostly known from the cheap crap, which, if that theory is correct is mainly due to the pressure from profit-oriented corporates.
It might be overly simplistic but that theory sounds credible to me somehow as the Asian culture and philosophy is fundamentally different from ours. It would have been interesting to know Franky's point on that.
* Chinese Cheapy Crap
@Barny, I don't know how it is in Austria, but in the UK you have to pay tax on the price of the goods + the shipping. I would be surprised if Austria is different a
In the Netherlands (so presumably the rest of EU too), the general rules regarding outside EU imports are:
0 - 22 euro, excl shipping. Free from any taxes
22 - 150 euro, excl shipping. You pay 21% tax (VAT) on the goods AND on shipping AND you get extra "handling" costs for processing the taxes (UPS ~€10, DHL €13, PostNL €13, etc)
150 or more, you pay 21% tax on the goods AND on shipping AND extra import charges based on the TARIC code.
@Barny, I don't know how it is in Austria, but in the UK you have to pay tax on the price of the goods + the shipping. I would be surprised if Austria is different aIn the Netherlands (so presumably the rest of EU too), the general rules regarding outside EU imports are:
0 - 22 euro, excl shipping. Free from any taxes
22 - 150 euro, excl shipping. You pay 21% tax (VAT) on the goods AND on shipping AND you get extra "handling" costs for processing the taxes (UPS ~€10, DHL €13, PostNL €13, etc)
150 or more, you pay 21% tax on the goods AND on shipping AND extra import charges based on the TARIC code.
So what Barny is referring to, is if for example a eBay seller sells Probes for 5 euro, with 1 euro shipping, and you order 4 of them. The total becomes €20 goods + €4 shipping. So free from taxes.
If the 1 euro shipping is integrated. It becomes €24 goods, free shipping. So above 22 euro.. Meaning you will have to pay 24 * 0,21 = €5,04. Plus handling costs.. So you will have to pay between €15 and €18 euro èxtra to the mailman, because the seller wanted to include it in the price
Of course chances are small with regular small packages because there is so many of them coming from China/HK and everything is marked gift from China away..., but if they get you.. your €20 probes double in price just because of how the seller offered it to you.
So usually when I order stuff from sellers who include shipping. I just make multiple < 22 euro orders. And hope they don't become friendly and combine it for me in one large package (has happened..)
So usually when I order stuff from sellers who include shipping. I just make multiple < 22 euro orders. And hope they don't become friendly and combine it for me in one large package (has happened..)
I don't think the EU has forced you to have processing fees on the VAT thing, that's something where you should put the blame elsewhere I think. I at least don't pay any processing fees if I am doing the clearance myself (yes I would, if I asked the courier to do it for me and they have just as nuts fees as the ones you refer to)
Hi Franky!
I've hear all the stories how the China and Hong Kong shipping is subsidized, to generate export. It is outrageous system now. So what happens is: The country sending goods -from- gets the entire fee from shipping. It was all fine when the two direction was equal, bot ends got their share. Now there is a magnitude higher incoming mail, which has to be delivered from free. Means, when I order something from china, the mailmen bringing it to the door gets nada. And of course one postmen earn more here than entire villages in ie east europe.
So while you can internationally ship something 200g for 4 dollars, I have to pay more to ship the same item within the country. It costs 43 EUR to send something 1kg to Dave. For the reference, the same is 17 EUR from Germany. It is cheaper, including gas, to drive to another country to send my *CENSORED* mail. BTW, Dave, a very good reason why you dont get too much mail from certain countries.
I heard a (allegedly Chinese) saying once ... fortunes can be made on paper thin margins.