Then what the name changing of the rigol concerns:
Lecroy got a HDO4000 series for years, maybe therefore they´ve changed it to DHO.
Made a separate post about this product (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/siglent-sds2000x-hd-teardown-hackable-arbituary-waveform-generator/new/#new), but what's the likelihood of being able to source the arbitrary waveform generator PCB and hack it so the whole scope isn't needed to use it? Seems like it may only be controlled via USB 2.0 protocol or similar based on the 5 wire connection?
You guys liked the cast zinc/aluminium handle? I'd much rather have a glass-filled nylon one
You guys liked the cast zinc/aluminium handle? I'd much rather have a glass-filled nylon oneWhy ?
This one folds away flush so very unlikely to ever get damaged.
These scopes are 4kg so are portable which will invite getting carried about as they are a nice scope to use and are supplied with a nice wireless mouse.
Now Dave has done his teardown he really needs to get on with using it.
You guys liked the cast zinc/aluminium handle? I'd much rather have a glass-filled nylon oneWhy ?
This one folds away flush so very unlikely to ever get damaged.
These scopes are 4kg so are portable which will invite getting carried about as they are a nice scope to use and are supplied with a nice wireless mouse.
Now Dave has done his teardown he really needs to get on with using it.
Because cast metals are more likely to have micro-fractures that aren't apparent (unless you x-ray or ultrasonically probe them, not likely for this application) but will gradually worsen over time until one day *ping*, *crunch*, your $5k scope is on the floor and now a parallelogram instead of a square.
Because cast metals are more likely to have micro-fractures that aren't apparent (unless you x-ray or ultrasonically probe them, not likely for this application) but will gradually worsen over time until one day *ping*, *crunch*, your $5k scope is on the floor and now a parallelogram instead of a square.
EDIT: Additionally, the friction between the handle pins and the tab sockets will cause some of the metal of the handle to wear and drop into the scope, in the form of very small filings. Granted, this will be in miniscule quantities, but it's attention to detail that makes the difference between a good product and a great one.
They've likely gone for die-cast zinc or ally over glass-filled nylon for the reduced maintenance cost on the injection moulding machines; glass-filled nylon is notoriously hard on such equipment.
So best advice would be not to even buy an engine that was built with cast metals ?
Good luck even finding one that was milled from billet.
You guys liked the cast zinc/aluminium handle? I'd much rather have a glass-filled nylon one
You guys liked the cast zinc/aluminium handle? I'd much rather have a glass-filled nylon oneThose who like metal handles are probably in warm countries. Grabbing a metal handle in the freezing cold is no fun.
the friction between the handle pins and the tab sockets will cause some of the metal of the handle to wear and drop into the scope
Quotethe friction between the handle pins and the tab sockets will cause some of the metal of the handle to wear and drop into the scope
How often do you move the scope in such manner ?
It must be a permanent moving to create such scenario..
Quotethe friction between the handle pins and the tab sockets will cause some of the metal of the handle to wear and drop into the scope
How often do you move the scope in such manner ?
It must be a permanent moving to create such scenario..Some people use instruments in mobile situations every day. They aren't all in nice comfy labs. That's when the cold metal handle can bite.
Because cast metals are more likely to have micro-fractures that aren't apparent (unless you x-ray or ultrasonically probe them, not likely for this application) but will gradually worsen over time until one day *ping*, *crunch*, your $5k scope is on the floor and now a parallelogram instead of a square.
EDIT: Additionally, the friction between the handle pins and the tab sockets will cause some of the metal of the handle to wear and drop into the scope, in the form of very small filings. Granted, this will be in miniscule quantities, but it's attention to detail that makes the difference between a good product and a great one.
They've likely gone for die-cast zinc or ally over glass-filled nylon for the reduced maintenance cost on the injection moulding machines; glass-filled nylon is notoriously hard on such equipment.I’m sorry, but are you genuinely unaware how unhinged that all sounds?
Die-cast metal is used for countless products, almost always ones of above-average quality. From tripod castings, to KitchenAid mixers, to car engines, to all manner of electrical motor mounts, etc., to BBQs (like my Weber Q series, which is cast aluminum, with cast iron grills), to practically all high end camera bodies, field-use broadcast audio/video gear (stuff designed to take a spill and keep on working)… the list goes on and on!
Besides, what makes you think injection-molded plastic can’t have fractures or other faults?
In the end, regardless of the type of material chosen, the quality of the resulting product is determined by the quality of the raw materials, the care and skill with which it is processed, and the culture of quality control and improvement within the company.
You guys liked the cast zinc/aluminium handle? I'd much rather have a glass-filled nylon oneThose who like metal handles are probably in warm countries. Grabbing a metal handle in the freezing cold is no fun.
Quotethe friction between the handle pins and the tab sockets will cause some of the metal of the handle to wear and drop into the scope
How often do you move the scope in such manner ?
It must be a permanent moving to create such scenario..Some people use instruments in mobile situations every day. They aren't all in nice comfy labs. That's when the cold metal handle can bite.
Again, this (and most of the scopes out there) is not instrument meant for those people..
Nor extreme temperature range, nor mil grade rugged nor portable.
And handle holders are outside the shield.. If there are going to be metal shavings, they are on the outside from electronics.
For portable rugged use, Siglent has it's version of Scope meter, including isolated channels.. expanded temperature range, IP51, rubberized...
I’m sorry, but are you genuinely unaware how unhinged that all sounds?
Before I rebut your points, one by one, I'll remind you that engineers think about how things will fail.
Die-cast metal is used for countless products, almost always ones of above-average quality. From tripod castings, to KitchenAid mixers, to car engines, to all manner of electrical motor mounts, etc., to BBQs (like my Weber Q series, which is cast aluminum, with cast iron grills), to practically all high end camera bodies, field-use broadcast audio/video gear (stuff designed to take a spill and keep on working)… the list goes on and on!
Partly true, but completely irrelevant to the context. The highest quality ones will invariably be machined rather than cast, either from billet or forged blanks. In any case, heavy duty applications are pretty chunky, way more so than the weak point here, namely the handle pins. They will be exposed to shear forces when the scope is being carried; the examples you give are mostly exposed to impact (compression) forces, where the material is quite a bit stronger.