But those 7 million tires didn't come from BEVs
- they hadn't been invented in 1998.
I’m just sitting here, laughing at how supposedly intelligent people are so gullible
Or entrenched viewpoints held by the ill-informed Who seem to read largely conspiracy websites nonsense
How is facing up the hard realities which the early adopters avoid at all costs or “forget” to mention, any form of “conspiracy”?
You loonies.
I had an electric car on a monthly subscription, I could have ditched at any time. I only did when I got fed up with the company supplying the cars. I am now getting a car through work, I have had to go back to petrol for what is hopefully only until May, I can't wait to get back into an electric car again.
What are these things that "we" EV drivers won't talk about?
But those 7 million tires didn't come from BEVs
Probably true for the most part.Quote- they hadn't been invented in 1998.
Um, not so true.
QuoteAlso governments are in tandem improving public transport investing in light rail etc.yea thats why there was a report on the uk's national news the other day about the threat of cutbacks in government funding for public transport,and how large areas of the population already have no access to it
The evidence is that roadside fast chargers will be the preferred charging of BEVs as power ratings climb not house based charging hehce this argument about lack of driveway precludes BEVs flrrs in face of what home charging studies have shown. Planners see home charging as merely one constitute of the total charging solution. Not the “ only” way to charge BEVs
What evidence is there that people will want to go to a public place and wait while their car is charged?
The only place I would be willing to do that on a regular basis is at home. But then I, unlike many others, have a private driveway.
QuoteAlso governments are in tandem improving public transport investing in light rail etc.yea thats why there was a report on the uk's national news the other day about the threat of cutbacks in government funding for public transport,and how large areas of the population already have no access to it
The evidence is that roadside fast chargers will be the preferred charging of BEVs as power ratings climb not house based charging hehce this argument about lack of driveway precludes BEVs flrrs in face of what home charging studies have shown. Planners see home charging as merely one constitute of the total charging solution. Not the “ only” way to charge BEVs
What evidence is there that people will want to go to a public place and wait while their car is charged?
The only place I would be willing to do that on a regular basis is at home. But then I, unlike many others, have a private driveway.This all boils down to having supercharger gas-stations that can charge a car as fast as you can fill up with petrol or hydrogen. But this will only work with the next generation of batteries; the solid state ones. How long will the solid state batteries take before the first BEVs are shipped with these type of batteries?
Every now and then I end up at a petrol station in the middle of the night and the less time I spend at such an unsafe place, the better.
I don't see how this replaces rapid petrol filling, I'm realistic here, road trips will take longer on EVs or this might be a small area of the market that hydrogen carves out (or people will just buy 120kWh cars), but overall I see the balance of being able to charge at home/on the street as exceeding that of rapid filling, but then that's probably based on my mindset.
No sorry wont happen "petrol" cars are beneath them in social status.
There are plenty of solutions for people who can't charge at home - e.g. in the UK, in some areas every other lamppost on the street has a chargepoint built in
I have an issue with this statement as it gets banded about by the EV fanboys to shut up anyone who says they can't charge up at home. It might work in some areas but its not a solution open to all.Agreed. Public charging is horribly expensive as well. I'm 80% sure my first non-ICE car will be powered by hydrogen because that is better suitable & cheaper for my use compared to BEV. But first long haul trucking needs to accellerate implementing hydrogen fueling stations. Long haul trucks typically have ranges from 1200km to 2500km on a single tank. There is no way to match that using batteries.
Tbd future is high power roadside BEV charging just like current filling stations. In fact the uk current requires all new filing stAtions to add Bev charging. Hence as batteries get bigger and accept faster charging , home charging will not be a big factor
I don't see how this replaces rapid petrol filling, I'm realistic here, road trips will take longer on EVs or this might be a small area of the market that hydrogen carves out (or people will just buy 120kWh cars), but overall I see the balance of being able to charge at home/on the street as exceeding that of rapid filling, but then that's probably based on my mindset.
For that once-in-a-decade long trip, just rent a car that still uses gasoline. They'll be around for a while. Or fly and rent a car.
Tbd future is high power roadside BEV charging just like current filling stations. In fact the uk current requires all new filing stAtions to add Bev charging. Hence as batteries get bigger and accept faster charging , home charging will not be a big factor
I do think you're missing that home charging is super convenient. Why would I want to take time out of my day to rapid charge my car when I can charge overnight? I get that you'll need to charge for long trips and the odd unplanned long drive, but all other charging would definitely be preferably done overnight.
I don't see how this replaces rapid petrol filling, I'm realistic here, road trips will take longer on EVs or this might be a small area of the market that hydrogen carves out (or people will just buy 120kWh cars), but overall I see the balance of being able to charge at home/on the street as exceeding that of rapid filling, but then that's probably based on my mindset.
For that once-in-a-decade long trip, just rent a car that still uses gasoline. They'll be around for a while. Or fly and rent a car.Exactly. People want to be able to use EVs exactly as they used ICEVs. The change must also be in the uses. The old model when you could haul you family hundred of km (for vacations or family trips) can evolve to train (I'm European...) + rented vehicle on location. As for the cost, voting accordingly can make it without raising costs or even cheaper.
Tbd future is high power roadside BEV charging just like current filling stations. In fact the uk current requires all new filing stAtions to add Bev charging. Hence as batteries get bigger and accept faster charging , home charging will not be a big factor
I do think you're missing that home charging is super convenient. Why would I want to take time out of my day to rapid charge my car when I can charge overnight? I get that you'll need to charge for long trips and the odd unplanned long drive, but all other charging would definitely be preferably done overnight.
I don't see how this replaces rapid petrol filling, I'm realistic here, road trips will take longer on EVs or this might be a small area of the market that hydrogen carves out (or people will just buy 120kWh cars), but overall I see the balance of being able to charge at home/on the street as exceeding that of rapid filling, but then that's probably based on my mindset.
For that once-in-a-decade long trip, just rent a car that still uses gasoline. They'll be around for a while. Or fly and rent a car.Exactly. People want to be able to use EVs exactly as they used ICEVs. The change must also be in the uses. The old model when you could haul you family hundred of km (for vacations or family trips) can evolve to train (I'm European...) + rented vehicle on location. As for the cost, voting accordingly can make it without raising costs or even cheaper.
I don't see how this replaces rapid petrol filling, I'm realistic here, road trips will take longer on EVs or this might be a small area of the market that hydrogen carves out (or people will just buy 120kWh cars), but overall I see the balance of being able to charge at home/on the street as exceeding that of rapid filling, but then that's probably based on my mindset.
For that once-in-a-decade long trip, just rent a car that still uses gasoline. They'll be around for a while. Or fly and rent a car.Exactly. People want to be able to use EVs exactly as they used ICEVs. The change must also be in the uses. The old model when you could haul you family hundred of km (for vacations or family trips) can evolve to train (I'm European...) + rented vehicle on location. As for the cost, voting accordingly can make it without raising costs or even cheaper.
Voting appropriately does not change the costs except for marginal differences in efficiency. It only changes who pays the bill.
many domestic systems cannot charge big capacity evse in a reasonable time especially if other loads like water heating etc are concurrent
The evidence in Ireland from users surveys is BEV owners significantly increased their annual car mileage as running costs were low. In fact this left the train or bus out of the equation and used the Bev. To such an extent that the capital city authorities would not provide parking concessions to BEVs that other cities provided ( most city public parking is free to BEVs )
Hence the evidence is BEV owners eschew public transport in favour of the car. In Ireland public transport is not great and is seen as “ low rent “ with the exception of light rail solutions
In fact it’s become a concern that overly aiding conversions to BEV is wrong and will result in higher car usage not less. The latest gov strategy is to decline Bev subsidies to make people seriously consider non car options which many young professionals now opting for non car ownership
It should be noted that in Ireland it’s one of the highest annual private car mileage per person nearly 1.5 the European average and higher than the USA average. It’s an extremely car centric country.
I would disagree that people want BEVs to deliver an indentical experience. Evidence is that changing perspectives , covid , concern over pollution is changing peoples attitudes and younger people see cars on a different way. On the spot car hire ( often BEV) etc has become very popular amongst urban apartment dwellers who fell the huge cost of owning a private car isvt justified.
Interesting.
I suppose the surveys really considered the drivers' mileage, so that it doesn't count mileage that would be deducted from an ICEV in the same home.
I could understand it as, whether legitimate or not, drivers can have the impression that taking the EV has few environnement effects, as well as the novelty and pleasure to drive an EV (compared to public transports, walking or cycling).
I've never seen free parking for EVs, though. And I don't think that would be a good idea.