Don't these cars have lidar, radar, etc that should have detected an object even if it was dark? Supposed to be "safer" than a human driving right? Seems pretty shitty if it didn't attempt to slow down or move out of the way slightly. Should be interesting to see who comes up at fault.
People die. Sometimes in bad ways for no reason (insert mother pleading with congressman to ban swimming until you can swim) but anyway... The computer pays attention all the time, even if it isn't quite as good as an attentive human, it's already better than a drugged/tired/distracted one.
People die. Sometimes in bad ways for no reason (insert mother pleading with congressman to ban swimming until you can swim) but anyway... The computer pays attention all the time, even if it isn't quite as good as an attentive human, it's already better than a drugged/tired/distracted one.
And a drugged/tired/distracted human is still going to be way better at reacting to random unforseen anomalous events than some AI algorithm that thinks it knows and can handle any situation.
I want to see autonomous hours driven with no serious issues compared with human hours driven with no serious issues.
Pedestrian crosses road in unexpected place in pitch black conditions, even human driver does not react. I have to say, some pedestrians have zero care for their safety, and seem to assume that because they can see the car, the car driver can see them. When the conditions often make the pedestrian virtually invisible. And then there are those people deliberately trying to get run over - commonplace in Russia... but then anything goes in Russia.
The news reports eventually get around to some salient facts : Uber robot cars have been driving for nearly a year before this accident. One person gets killed on Arizona roads every 9 hours. Yup, humans killed 962 people (2016), robot car kills 1 person. So ban robot cars?
This is the question I raised before : will people accept robot cars, even if they kill a lot less people than human driven cars, but still kill a few?
All I want to know is how the car decides where to park. If I order a Uber and stand outside, where will it stop to let me get in? Double parked, across a driveway, in a loading zone or 400m down the street. What if you drive to an event and they set up a carpark in a field, how will the car find a space? How will it get out if it rained and can't see other people churning up the mud and avoid getting bogged. How am I supposed to get out and push and tell the driver to go? Will it then stop and wait for me to get back in? Will it drive with no one inside anyway? Can I let it circle the block whilst I pick up my dry cleaning?
The fact that Uber is a multi-billion dollar company, has nothing to do with it.
Missy Cummings, a robotics expert(a.k.a a pointed professor by big time money and military industrial complex) at Duke University who has been critical of the swift rollout of driverless technology across the country, said the computer-vision systems for self-driving cars are “deeply flawed” and can be “incredibly brittle,” particularly in unfamiliar circumstances.
Companies have not been required by the federal government to prove that their robotic driving systems are safe. “We’re not holding them to any standards right now,” Cummings said, arguing that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should provide real supervision.
Federal transportation officials have relied on voluntary safety reporting to oversee the burgeoning industry, which has emphasized the life-saving potential of the technology in arguing against government mandates.
Arizona has aggressively courted driverless tech firms, based largely on its light regulatory touch. That approach has consequences, Cummings said. “If you’re going take that first step out, then you’re also going to be [the] first entity
to have to suffer these kinds of issues,” she said.
“The car cameras, the vision systems, they don’t perform inductively, meaning they can’t guess about the appearance of someone in a particular place and time,” Cummings said. “Pedestrians get hit by human drivers all the time for similar reasons,” though the exact cause of this crash remains unclear, she said.
In general, she said, autonomous vehicles have a variety of backup mechanisms to account for anomalies such as a pedestrian in the roadway.
“Just because you map an area doesn’t mean your computer system is necessarily going to pick up a pedestrian, particularly one that wasn’t in a cross walk,” Cummings said
“It’s going to be difficult to accept the deaths … but at some point you’ll start to see the curve bend,” he said. “The fact is these things will save lives and we need to get there.”
self driving cars are not programmed with if-then algorithms. They are based on ML (Machine Learning) software.
Pedestrian crosses road in unexpected place in pitch black conditions
human driver does not react.
self driving cars are not programmed with if-then algorithms. They are based on ML (Machine Learning) software.
Don't these cars have lidar, radar, etc that should have detected an object even if it was dark? Supposed to be "safer" than a human driving right? Seems pretty shitty if it didn't attempt to slow down or move out of the way slightly. Should be interesting to see who comes up at fault.
I was driving home one night right across Sydney. It was torrential pouring rain, and as is normal in Sydney, roadwork galore, chopping and changing contraflow lanes, weaving in and out of stuff, stopping and going at lollipops, and dodging people in the city etc. And I was thinking, no 'effing way any autonomous car is going to do all that on a mass scale, not for a very long time. And here people are saying in only a few years time we'll all be driving fully autonomous cars. Rubbish.
Don't these cars have lidar, radar, etc that should have detected an object even if it was dark? Supposed to be "safer" than a human driving right? Seems pretty shitty if it didn't attempt to slow down or move out of the way slightly. Should be interesting to see who comes up at fault.
I was driving home one night right across Sydney. It was torrential pouring rain, and as is normal in Sydney, roadwork galore, chopping and changing contraflow lanes, weaving in and out of stuff, stopping and going at lollipops, and dodging people in the city etc. And I was thinking, no 'effing way any autonomous car is going to do all that on a mass scale, not for a very long time. And here people are saying in only a few years time we'll all be driving fully autonomous cars. Rubbish.True, however one could argue that you're still safer with an Autonomous car as opposed to some (many?) drivers out there. There are certain populations of Sydney and without being racist, are just awful drivers, beyond awful, absolutely abominable. I've seen some shit you just wouldn't believe unless you witnessed it yourself. Then there are taxi drivers... for someone who spends their day driving, they ought to be some of the best, well practised drivers on our roads... they are not.
I'm finding as intelligence among the human race drops, so does their driving ability. In Australia, you don't even need to be able to read English to hold an unrestricted driving licence.
People die. Sometimes in bad ways for no reason (insert mother pleading with congressman to ban swimming until you can swim) but anyway... The computer pays attention all the time, even if it isn't quite as good as an attentive human, it's already better than a drugged/tired/distracted one.
And a drugged/tired/distracted human is still going to be way better at reacting to random unforseen anomalous events than some AI algorithm that thinks it knows and can handle any situation.
It has a greater array of inputs, it has zero awareness.
Fully agree.
Because cars seem to be able to drive autonomous under 'normal' 'expected' conditions, everyone talks like we're 90% there...
I think it's not even 10% yet.
How about al those situations that should not exist, but we encounter (unnoticed!) every day?
pedestrians and bikers in the city who behave 'at random' while we anticipate without even realizing because of facial expression or a small move of the head or arm?
In most big cities, if you wait with driving until the crossing is empty/safe, you'll still be waiting 3 days later
What if an accident blocked the road; we will without a doubt look for a way around it over the sidewalk or through the grass ...
what if road-signs are not placed correctly, we realize and act smart, creatively and responsible
etc.
Nissan notes autonomous vehicles can’t yet navigate public pick-up and drop-off zones as a human driver would be able to do, given many people stop illegally to drop off or pick up passengers _ and that’s something an autonomous vehicle isn’t programmed to do. Instead dedicated parking bays will be needed.
The news reports eventually get around to some salient facts : Uber robot cars have been driving for nearly a year before this accident. One person gets killed on Arizona roads every 9 hours. Yup, humans killed 962 people (2016), robot car kills 1 person. So ban robot cars?