GI PIC what a load of crap, there were better processors back then 6802, 6502, Z80, I8051, I8048, TMS7000 !! GI PIC16 what a pile of shit and Microchip still selling this stuff.
Microchip and state-of-the-art really don't go together! One cheap crap company bought another cheap crap company in an attempt to consolidate their (obviously) shrinking cheap crap market share. If there ever was a war between Microchip and Atmel then it is safe to say they killed each other. A few years ago I got lots of angry comments when I told people PIC is crap and they should look at ARM. Those days are long gone!
... And many people who moved to ARM have been burned by parts becoming either obsolete very quickly in the industry scheme of things, or the company being bought and the processor line they used dropped.
Microchip on the other hand are still selling micros from 20+ years ago.
ARM ain't the universal panacea many make it out to be.
Back in the 90's Microchip published an application note on how to multiply two 8-bit numbers for 16CXX processors, so I programmed it in, and guess what, it got 0xff x 0xff wrong, they left a few instructions out. GI PIC what a load of crap, there were better processors back then 6802, 6502, Z80, I8051, I8048, TMS7000 !! GI PIC16 what a pile of shit and Microchip still selling this stuff.
It's a shame that a bunch of stupid people who can't design hardware and can't write software buy Atmel.
Expect to see Atmel ARM chips with PIC peripherals
This *might* have an impact on our choices of suppliers. PIC and AVRs have historically been the 2 competing sides for hobbyists, and now both will belong to the same manufacturer, who will be able to set prices as it seems fit.
I don't think Microchip got a clue about processing, they can't design hardware peripherals that work let alone software...
PIC peripherals, you got to be joking, they don't work, they can't get core Silicon right let alone peripherals.
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“We are pleased to report that Microchip has regained the #1 position for 8-bit microcontrollers,” said Steve Sanghi, Microchip’s president and CEO. “Four years ago, it took the merger of three Japanese semiconductor giants—NEC, Hitachi and Mitsubishi in the form of Renesas—to knock us off the #1 spot for 8-bit MCUs. We said at the time that we would work relentlessly to gain market share and wrest back the #1 spot. Following their merger in 2010, Renesas’ 8-bit MCU business was 41% larger than ours. In every year since 2010, we closed the gap, and in 2014 we regained our leadership position, finishing 10.5% higher than Renesas.”
Microchip and state-of-the-art really don't go together! One cheap crap company bought another cheap crap company in an attempt to consolidate their (obviously) shrinking cheap crap market share. If there ever was a war between Microchip and Atmel then it is safe to say they killed each other. A few years ago I got lots of angry comments when I told people PIC is crap and they should look at ARM. Those days are long gone!And many people who moved to ARM have been burned by parts becoming either obsolete very quickly in the industry scheme of things, or the company being bought and the processor line they used dropped.
Microchip on the other hand are still selling micros from 20+ years ago.
ARM ain't the universal panacea many make it out to be.
Microchip and state-of-the-art really don't go together! One cheap crap company bought another cheap crap company in an attempt to consolidate their (obviously) shrinking cheap crap market share. If there ever was a war between Microchip and Atmel then it is safe to say they killed each other. A few years ago I got lots of angry comments when I told people PIC is crap and they should look at ARM. Those days are long gone!And many people who moved to ARM have been burned by parts becoming either obsolete very quickly in the industry scheme of things, or the company being bought and the processor line they used dropped.
Microchip on the other hand are still selling micros from 20+ years ago.
ARM ain't the universal panacea many make it out to be.You can't attribute some manufacturers having short term support to ARM; I'd expected better reasoning! When using a device and need long term availability you should always investigate whether it is a small hit&run company or they have a good track record. NXP for example still has their first ARM devices (LPC2104/5/6) active which have been introduced over a decade ago. Not to mention their original 8051 portfolio!
@AcHmed99: Look at NXP for short errata sheets!
richardman what am I really thinking ? Microchip killing off the serial processing market with a pile of shit hardware and software that doesn't work real time. What is that interrupt latency that isn't documented, I shouldn't have to measure it with a scope but I have to, because to measure is to know. Serial processing, thats old school, and Microchip screwing things up with abstracted software.
I don't think Microchip got a clue about processing, they can't design hardware peripherals that work let alone software.
you are a nxp guy here, question do they sample chips outside Europe?
Someone mentioned Atmel is staying afloat because of the Arduino...
AVR chip sales due to Arduino are a drop in the sea. Profits are made by selling millions to industry and not one piece to a weekend engineer.
And the industry doesn't care if the chip has ARM or whatever architecture. They care about the price.
They will choose whatever chip is capable of doing the job for the lowest cost possible.
That is why the 8 bit micros are still present on the market. There are many products where 8 bit uC is good enough and much less products where a more powerful uC is needed.
PIC is going to have an ARM core, I am not enthusiastic, but I think it's good
That seems to be one of the big obvious things that will come as a result.
Expect to see Atmel ARM chips with PIC peripherals
PIC is going to have an ARM core, I am not enthusiastic, but I think it's good
I wonder if Atmel Studio and MPLAB X IDE are going to have a mash up
I hope not, I rather like the current edition of Atmel Studio.
Hi,
The news is the war is over. So what's your ideas?They better fix their shit slow PK3, I just spent whole day debugging and having to use Visual Studio to debug my C code what a bloody fail, I will never use a PIC again, I was attracted to their simplicity.. honey pot.
How big is the chance NXP will kill those chip lines in closest 5 years?
I don't agree that Atmel/Microchip should watch carefully are the hobbyists.
They better fix their shit slow PK3, I just spent whole day debugging and having to use Visual Studio to debug my C code what a bloody fail, I will never use a PIC again, I was attracted to their simplicity.. honey pot.Blame yourself for buying something cheap. If you want speed, open your wallet and buy an ICD3.
The hobby market is still important - not so much for the sales, but for the students learining about that type of µC.
I'm glad someone in this forum understands that to be successful against your competition, you need to meet at least one of the following three conditions:
1/ Make your widget for less $$ than you competitors;
2/ Make a better widget (that customers can still afford to buy) than your competitors;