Because they're tired of fakes on the market?
Because they're tired of fakes on the market?
Seems they are doing their best to makes sure no one want anything says FTDI on it,
killing the market for FTDI chips will solve the problem of fakes, but probly kill FTDI in the process
I've tried older drivers 2.10.00 and 2.08.30, both give me "NON GENUINE DEVICE FOUND!". Can these chips now be permanently bricked?? Obviously I haven't followed the whole #ftdigate for long time. A year ago I reverted my PIDs to 6001 and used an older driver and everything seemed to be fine after that... until today
I have no problem using FTDI, or buying anything that uses FTDI. Don't buy knockoff crap and it's not a problem. On the off-chance you do end up getting a knockoff chip in a legitimate product, talk to the manufacturer so they can RMA it and get their supply lines sorted out.
this scam
I have no problem using FTDI, or buying anything that uses FTDI. Don't buy knockoff crap and it's not a problem. On the off-chance you do end up getting a knockoff chip in a legitimate product, talk to the manufacturer so they can RMA it and get their supply lines sorted out.That's great if you are a patient end-user consumer with a non-critical application and no particular time schedule.
And buying something expensive enough to come with the bare minimum of "Customer Service".
Apparently you didn't read much of the original discussion.
All new devices I have use the CH340G
wait, ch340g has its own usb driver
are you saying FTDI driver is hijacking your ch340g device?
I have no problem using FTDI, or buying anything that uses FTDI. Don't buy knockoff crap and it's not a problem. On the off-chance you do end up getting a knockoff chip in a legitimate product, talk to the manufacturer so they can RMA it and get their supply lines sorted out.That's great if you are a patient end-user consumer with a non-critical application and no particular time schedule.
And buying something expensive enough to come with the bare minimum of "Customer Service".
Apparently you didn't read much of the original discussion.
Who on earth purchases a critical piece of equipment with a hard time deadline and refuses to pay enough for the bare minimum of "Customer Service" They deserve to get kicked in the ass for being so short-sighted.
No, I didn't read the original discussion, and if this is the kind of attitude in it I'm glad I didn't.
FTDI put/puts a lot of time and money into writing and maintaining their drivers, getting them signed and certified, integrated into the Windows Update ecosystem and the Linux kernel, etc. They recoup this cost through a slightly higher sales price on their products, and people pay it because of the convenience. Why would you expect to be able to use FTDI's drivers, for free, forever, without purchasing their product? That attitude just blows my mind. You should consider every day you've been able to use FTDI's drivers with your counterfeit device as a gift, rather than freaking out when that privilege is finally revoked. This attitude of entitlement bothers me to no end. I suppose Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" system should be renamed into Microsoft-gate too?
These counterfeit companies are welcome to build their own devices, but they should also be writing their own drivers and going through the same process as FTDI to integrate those drivers into consumer operating systems, maintaining them, etc., in order to make their devices usable to end-users. What's that? Doing so would mean they'd have to charge FTDI-like prices? Oh shucks, I guess the world does make sense after-all.
Don't want to deal with this kind of BS? Then quit shopping on eBay and Alibaba and spend an extra dollar on the real thing.
Note: I'm using "you" in the collective sense, not you specifically.
all makes sense in a perfect world, in the real world people will just stop buying things that says FTDI on it
Since @suicidaleggroll didn't read the original discussion, he is uninformed that there is no reliable way for ANYONE (including legitimate distributors and board assemblers) to definitively identify genuine chips vs counterfeit. Many legitimate, official, authorized supply lines have discovered counterfeit chips, sometimes only revealed when the end-user tried to use the product.
FTDI was widely criticized for not simply refusing to talk to counterfeit chips, but for deliberately BRICKING the chips without the customers knowledge or consent. And after that tsunami of ill-will, they are apparently back at their game of fouling their own nest. After the first debacle, one could argue that perhaps FTDI didn't DELIBERATELY set out to brick chips (although the the evidence was compelling). NOW, they are apparently back at the game of not simply refusing to talk to counterfeit chips, but DELIBERATELY sending their own counterfeit data in BOTH directions. In my book that just adds insult to injury and reinforces the notion that the first round was deliberate and not accidental.
Nobody is out there looking to save a few pennies buying counterfeit FTDI chips. The supply chain is apprently still contaminated with counterfeit chips and FTDI is doing nothing about it but continuing to cripple their own brand name. No wonder people are simply abandoning FTDI completely. Why would anybody continue to specify FTDI when they have no reasonable assurance that they will get genuine product that will make their customers happy.
Why would anybody continue to specify FTDI when they have no reasonable assurance that they will get genuine product that will make their customers happy.
Since @suicidaleggroll didn't read the original discussion, he is uninformed that there is no reliable way for ANYONE (including legitimate distributors and board assemblers) to definitively identify genuine chips vs counterfeit. Many legitimate, official, authorized supply lines have discovered counterfeit chips, sometimes only revealed when the end-user tried to use the product.
FTDI was widely criticized for not simply refusing to talk to counterfeit chips, but for deliberately BRICKING the chips without the customers knowledge or consent. And after that tsunami of ill-will, they are apparently back at their game of fouling their own nest. After the first debacle, one could argue that perhaps FTDI didn't DELIBERATELY set out to brick chips (although the the evidence was compelling). NOW, they are apparently back at the game of not simply refusing to talk to counterfeit chips, but DELIBERATELY sending their own counterfeit data in BOTH directions. In my book that just adds insult to injury and reinforces the notion that the first round was deliberate and not accidental.
Nobody is out there looking to save a few pennies buying counterfeit FTDI chips. The supply chain is apprently still contaminated with counterfeit chips and FTDI is doing nothing about it but continuing to cripple their own brand name. No wonder people are simply abandoning FTDI completely. Why would anybody continue to specify FTDI when they have no reasonable assurance that they will get genuine product that will make their customers happy.I know about the widespread problem. You're still blaming FTDI, but they are not the ones at fault. Their actions only serve to expose the problem. Do you honestly expect a device manufacturer to do NOTHING about a widespread counterfeit contamination of legitimate supply chains??? I mean seriously, what did you expect them to do? Sit on their haunches as they're run out of business by counterfeiters? What would you have done in their place?
Yes their decision (if it was so) to brick counterfeit devices was sudden and harsh, but IMO it was necessary. It was the only way to expose the prolific contamination of the supply chain. Everyone was forced to re-examine their supply, and fix it, cutting the counterfeiters out of the loop. Harsh, but necessary. The only reason the fallout was so bad was because that was the first time they had done anything to combat the problem. In my opinion they should continue this practice indefinitely, it's the only way to keep the counterfeiters out of the supply chain.
You claim there's no way for legitimate distributes to identify genuine chips. There is, now. You claim FTDI is doing nothing to combat the contaminated supply chain, what do you think this move is?!?! What do you think their alternative is?
Quote from: Richard CrowleyWhy would anybody continue to specify FTDI when they have no reasonable assurance that they will get genuine product that will make their customers happy.Their reasonable assurance is the reputation and usage of the build house. If the build house uses fake chips, which cause the end-product to completely fail, that's a pretty big indicator that there's a problem. Manufacturers will stop using that build house unless the build house can prove they were not a fault, by tracing the contamination up the supply chain, and so on, until the ones who are at fault are exposed and pushed out of the loop.
Again, harsh, but necessary.
I don't buy counterfeit devices (as far as I can help it).