Looking for someone with 10Mhz frequency reference in Ireland

• Looking for someone with 10Mhz frequency reference in Ireland
  Posted by sahko123 on 23 Apr, 2021 00:37
• This is probably a strange post but is there anyone in Ireland (preferably Kildare or Dublin area) with either a calibrated frequency counter or a 10Mhz reference? I want to calibrate my Agilent 53131a which I got for free and repaired the high stability timebase option on. My only "reference" is a Rigol DG812 with a questionable reference in it and even more questionable calibration.
  
  My goal is to ultimately use the 53131a as my primary reference (since I don't need ultra high precision) and use it to calibrate other counters and function gens.
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  Posted by MasterT on 23 Apr, 2021 00:48
• Ublox Neo-6/7/8 GPS receiver
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  Posted by fourfathom on 23 Apr, 2021 00:56
• Sorry, I'm too far away to help, but I'm guessing that you will eventually want to get a GPS Disciplined Oscillator to maintain your calibration.  Here's an inexpensive one that I use: http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=107&products_id=301
  
  Or, get a cheap GPS unit that has a one-second pulse output (pps), and count that, tweaking your 53131 clock adjustment as needed:
  https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-18x-LVC-Navigator-Unit/dp/B0016O3T7A
  https://www.amazon.com/Oak-Pine-Navigation-Microcontroller-Compatible-microcontroller/dp/B07RPVYSG5
  
  These GPS pps units won't be lab-grade solutions, but can be pretty good.
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  Posted by bob91343 on 23 Apr, 2021 02:16
• Can you receive WWV?  They operate 24/7 on several frequencies so you may be able to receive at least one.
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  Posted by LaserSteve on 23 Apr, 2021 11:50
• The NSAI NML maintains a caesium beam tube atomic frequency/time standard along with various GPS-disciplined and free-running rubidium oscillators ensuring that calibrations performed by the NSAI NML have direct traceability to the SI second.
  
  Steve
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  Posted by sahko123 on 23 Apr, 2021 11:50
• Even if the WWV signals reached us i probably wont even be able to pick them up. But in terms of the GPS route i might go that way since i found some modules that even for 3 or 4 euros can do 1pps with 1ns accuracy so (i my lack of ability in maths is to be trusted) it may be able to do 10MHz down to 0.1Hz which is good enough for me if not ill just look at some other GPS solutions.
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  Posted by sahko123 on 23 Apr, 2021 11:53
• I am looking to get this done as cheaply as possible so going straight to NSAI (National Standards Authority of Ireland for context) would probably be too expensive and quite overkill seeing as how im getting that close to the SI unit
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  Posted by LaserSteve on 23 Apr, 2021 11:58
• You never know. The timing supervisor has a direct phone line.  Your a hobbyist right?  Tea time makes friends . Google says they take theirs from 13:00 to 14:00.
  
  
  
  
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  Posted by MikeK on 23 Apr, 2021 14:06
• You might try to find amateur radio guys in your area.  One of them might have a frequency standard?
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  Posted by sahko123 on 23 Apr, 2021 14:15
• this is basically my way of finding them   
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  Posted by MikeK on 23 Apr, 2021 18:36
• There's an amateur radio club of Dublin, which is near you.