Specifically that those who copy an OSHW design to make one for themselves are not entering in to the true spirit of OSHW. And secondly that claiming this project is open source when Dave has basically said right at the bottom of the list is considering OSHW aspects.
Once again, got proof of that?, or is that just your opinion?
I really hope this freetard ecosystem that has plagued software doesnt start to leak over into hardware too.
Once again, got proof of that?, or is that just your opinion?
No proof, It is just my opinion that OSHW projects that are in a single language or use proprietry file formats and so on, restrict access to those who are fluent in the language or can afford the software eg Altium.
Once again, got proof of that?, or is that just your opinion?
No proof, It is just my opinion that OSHW projects that are in a single language or use proprietry file formats and so on, restrict access to those who are fluent in the language or can afford the software eg Altium.
Ok, so what if I designed the uSupply in the choice of OSWH champions, Eagle, but it's a bigger board than the free version can open and you have to pay $$$ for the licenses version to modify it. How is that different to say Altium Circuit Studio that costs about the same?
Not sure what you mean by "freetard" but I'm pretty sure I know what you are getting it.
There are already two camps in the OSHW industry, those who want everything to be absolutely open as per the "definition" and will not even entertain the idea that their can be value in something less, and those who are more grounded in the real world.
The former consider my OSHW logo idea video tantamount to sacrilege.
The former consider my OSHW logo idea video tantamount to sacrilege.
Once again, got proof of that?, or is that just your opinion?
No proof, It is just my opinion that OSHW projects that are in a single language or use proprietry file formats and so on, restrict access to those who are fluent in the language or can afford the software eg Altium.
Ok, so what if I designed the uSupply in the choice of OSWH champions, Eagle, but it's a bigger board than the free version can open and you have to pay $$$ for the licenses version to modify it. How is that different to say Altium Circuit Studio that costs about the same?
Eh what, Eagle is the choice of champions? Okay, it's at least free to look..
I'm an Eagle user, and I think it's a crap choice for OSHW, very nearly as crap as Altium (again, at least you can look with Eagle..)
Oh, you can modify larger boards - it's just XML, after all..
However, IMO, as long as you release entirely up to date schematic PDFs, BOM (to avoid ambiguities), and gerbers, doing it in Altium (or anything else) is acceptable. If you don't.. well, it's not open: People can't even look.
The ones who, for example in Linux complain about the use of firmware blobs in open source drivers. Even if they had the source to the firmware, they wouldn't be able to do anything useful with it
Eh what, Eagle is the choice of champions? Okay, it's at least free to look..
I'm an Eagle user, and I think it's a crap choice for OSHW, very nearly as crap as Altium (again, at least you can look with Eagle..)
Oh, you can modify larger boards - it's just XML, after all..
QuoteOh, you can modify larger boards - it's just XML, after all..
Yeah, good luck...
Don't need it - been there, done that, and not the only person I know who has. The format's actually quite pleasant to work with, it's one of the upsides of Eagle. I've even been through and fixed up entire libraries that way.
Don't need it - been there, done that, and not the only person I know who has. The format's actually quite pleasant to work with, it's one of the upsides of Eagle. I've even been through and fixed up entire libraries that way.I actually edit Eagle XML directly for parts as well. But editing schematics is not going to happen.
Open hardware, to me, means you can see the design, derive from some of it, customise it to your own needs, etc.. it does NOT necessarily mean you can 100% clone it yourself. That's what it should mean.
Open hardware, to me, means you can see the design, derive from some of it, customise it to your own needs, etc.. it does NOT necessarily mean you can 100% clone it yourself. That's what it should mean.
I agree, which is why I developed my new creative commons type OSHW logo idea.
But the "official" OSHW organisation does not see it that way, nor do many of the major players (Adafruit et.el) for example.
The problem is many of these OSHW companies have often never actually developed (and put huge $ and time into) any real polished commercial products. They just make bare boards, kits etc, which is great of course, but then they think that every commercial company should do the same as they do. It a position that lacks any sense of practical commercial reality.
This is why I refer to GPL as "All your code are belong to GNU". it is basically an ecosystem which does not want developers to get paid to write code.
Specifically that those who copy an OSHW design to make one for themselves are not entering in to the true spirit of OSHW. And secondly that claiming this project is open source when Dave has basically said right at the bottom of the list is considering OSHW aspects.
Questions:
What if I gave you the vector image file for the custom LCD, would you still complain?
Would you like the name of the supplier and the part number so you can take advantage of my tooling cost and order it direct yourself in volume? If so, why? If not, why not?
What if I have a custom case because that makes the product that I am selling better? Would you demand the design files for that? Why? for what purpose?
Would you also demand the suppliers name and the part number so you can make use of my tooling cost for that and order direct in volume? Why? If not, why not?
What if I did extensive videos teaching people how I designed the product, how it works etc etc (above and beyond most OSWH people BTW), and released everything but the custom LCD files, would you still still think I'm not doing things "in the true spirit" of it?
Who adds the most value to the community in this case: me who does all the design videos and teaches people everything in detail but retains the say the LCD file, or someone who provides no such design videos, teaches people almost nothing, and simply puts the same files + the LCD file on a Github repo?
QuoteWho adds the most value to the community in this case: me who does all the design videos and teaches people everything in detail but retains the say the LCD file, or someone who provides no such design videos, teaches people almost nothing, and simply puts the same files + the LCD file on a Github repo?There's a perrenial debate. But like the riddler's riddle on Batman. "when is a door not a door?"
Once again, got proof of that?, or is that just your opinion?
No proof, It is just my opinion that OSHW projects that are in a single language or use proprietry file formats and so on, restrict access to those who are fluent in the language or can afford the software eg Altium.
Ok, so what if I designed the uSupply in the choice of OSWH champions, Eagle, but it's a bigger board than the free version can open and you have to pay $$$ for the licenses version to modify it. How is that different to say Altium Circuit Studio that costs about the same?
Since you're doing it for commercail gain I don't see it as such a simple question.