If FTDI thinks this is an OK way to do business,Supporting poor clones of their chips with drivers isn't doing business. I think that is rather their point.That is a typical American point of view. Shoot first, ask questions later. In this case FTDI is killing their entire customer base to get to one counterfeiter which operates in a market FTDI can't penetrate to begin with.
If FTDI thinks this is an OK way to do business,Supporting poor clones of their chips with drivers isn't doing business. I think that is rather their point.That is a typical American point of view. Shoot first, ask questions later. In this case FTDI is killing their entire customer base to get to one counterfeiter which operates in a market FTDI can't penetrate to begin with.
how many times do we have to explain this?
destroy the chip? NOT SO FINE.
how many times do we have to explain this?
destroy the chip? NOT SO FINE.
How many times to I have to explain - they are not destroying the chip. The chip will work fine if you have drivers for it. When the chip manufacture writes drivers (and gets them certified and signed) I'm sure they will provide a tool to restore the PID. Maybe they could set the VID to something not stolen from FTDI but probably not because that is what FTDI would have done if it were possible.
How many times to I have to explain - they are not destroying the chip.
so i think it's time to switch to CH340 or something similar.
Okay nice. I don't think there are only hobbyists affected of this thing....
So, why should I ever use FTDI chips again when I must control the complete delivery chain for this chips ? That sounds to expensive and risky for me. There are good alternatives...
I am seriously curious - I want to buy one of those counterfeit FT232s and play with it. How/where do I buy one which is definitely NOT the original?
Okay nice. I don't think there are only hobbyists affected of this thing....
So, why should I ever use FTDI chips again when I must control the complete delivery chain for this chips ? That sounds to expensive and risky for me. There are good alternatives...As if you didn't need before driver update. Or are you OK with using fake parts in your product?
i remember several years ago i really had huge problem with prolific USB to Serial chips and BSOD.... so i simply never used any prolific product again..... some years later i found out that it was because of fake chips.... but i never used them again because of bad that bad taste....
Has anyone tried the Microchip USB to RS232 converter ICs? They are cheap and the one I tested seems to be quite good. Basically just a PIC with the right firmware programmed at the factory.
Has anyone tried the Microchip USB to RS232 converter ICs? They are cheap and the one I tested seems to be quite good. Basically just a PIC with the right firmware programmed at the factory.For this purpose it would be ok i guess, might try it in the near future.
For a lot of other applications such as any I2C bridge or I/O peripheral I personally do not trust a standard PIC with software. I rather have a hardware statemachine solution for that. But thats just my 2 cents.
I acknowledge that people and companies have the right to defend their copyrights. I can't however condone destroying counterfeit products which where purchased in good faith.
Containing a stolen VID the device isn't USB standard compliant so you should not have expectations of it working in the first place. Possessors of stolen property generally have few rights regardless of their knowledge of it being stolen.
FTDI should have 'reclaimed' their VID, presumably not and option, I can't blame them for trashing the PID instead.
Okay nice. I don't think there are only hobbyists affected of this thing....
So, why should I ever use FTDI chips again when I must control the complete delivery chain for this chips ? That sounds to expensive and risky for me. There are good alternatives...As if you didn't need before driver update. Or are you OK with using fake parts in your product?
Put yourself in FTDI's shoes... It's a bold move, but I understand exactly why they did it.
What makes you think FTDI haven't already been trying to fight the cloners from the supplying end already?
FTDI enjoys a decent premium over the knockoffs and similar products due to brand recognition. Do you think they are going to piss away all that potential money just because some chinese cloners started selling counterfeit product?
Buying fake chips has ALWAYS been a bad deal for everybody involved.
Put yourself in FTDI's shoes... It's a bold move, but I understand exactly why they did it.
What makes you think FTDI haven't already been trying to fight the cloners from the supplying end already?
FTDI enjoys a decent premium over the knockoffs and similar products due to brand recognition. Do you think they are going to piss away all that potential money just because some chinese cloners started selling counterfeit product?
Buying fake chips has ALWAYS been a bad deal for everybody involved.It's the same naive approach the music industry tried, and failed, to use against piracy. Punishing the "pirates" doesn't accomplish anything. Clones will always exist, and this is a market they are not directly competing with, as the people buying the cloned chips are mostly not, and never will be, FTDI customers. Yes, this will hurt the market for cheap FTDI cables, but rather than move to expensive legitimate cables, they are destroying their brand and making them un-purchaseable for anyone, including design engineers, due to the risk of their device or product randomly failing in the future.
Okay nice. I don't think there are only hobbyists affected of this thing....
So, why should I ever use FTDI chips again when I must control the complete delivery chain for this chips ? That sounds to expensive and risky for me. There are good alternatives...As if you didn't need before driver update. Or are you OK with using fake parts in your product?No, but it can happen. It happened many big manufacturers without there liability. Most time the chip-manifacturer then loses a little bit of money because the not selled chips. Now that shall be my risk, but I don't just lose some non existent profit. I lose costs of manufactoring, shipping, time to rebuild, reputation of customers, etc,etc....
So why just eat this toad whitout the need ?