... You can put a perfect microwave rated termination on a Tee and have a lousy result because of the stub formed by the Tee and the input to the scope's front end. This is the primary reason why internal terminations will generally outperform most external terminations, especially those connected via a Tee.
I compared a avanlache pulser response both thru a Tek 50ohm passthru and Lecroy internal termination. With 1ghz bandwidth the difference was pretty substantial.
4. Finally, a test with ... a 1k resistor on an SMA connector...
...RG58 to scope...
... add a few feet of coax onto the JW 2pF cap to extend the pulse (note that although this shows 800ps[!] it was varying between 800ps and 1.2ns)...
Yesterday and today I did some further testing with the Rigol MSO1074Z-S only. This test uses the same 21:1 DIY probe and a specially made cable with the scope end internally terminated with an 0603 49.9 ohm resistor. This improved things, but I also noticed that reducing the sensitivity on the scope also improves the rise time significantly, I assume because it reduces the slew rate of the ADC driver opamp. It makes for a more reasonable, more "square" result.
...it's why we shouldn't be using BNCs!
I can't imagine a Tek or HP/Agilent/Keysight scope not mentioning such a phenomenon
I can't imagine a Tek or HP/Agilent/Keysight scope not mentioning such a phenomenon
Indeed, my 475 for instance notes the rise/fall time is notably better for e.g. 2-3 div height than 6-8 div full screen. That's for an entire analog signal path, of course, but similar reasons could very well apply for the digital scope's preamp.
Digital scopes these days often use 0/5V or -5/+5V supplies for the analog bits, which means you'll inevitably see some slew rate limiting, compression or bandwidth limiting for large signals near the rails. Nice thing about the old stuff is the wide supply rails meant freedom from that (unless you seriously overdrive the input, in which case saturation recovery may be good or awful depending on make).
If possible, perhaps try turning off interpolation or switch to dots mode to see what you're actually getting. You could also download the raw data and examine it that way.
You've chopped off the top of the 200mV/div waveform so I can't really tell if 3.5ns is right.
Indeed, my 475 for instance notes the rise/fall time is notably better for e.g. 2-3 div height than 6-8 div full screen. That's for an entire analog signal path, of course, but similar reasons could very well apply for the digital scope's preamp.
Digital scopes these days often use 0/5V or -5/+5V supplies for the analog bits, which means you'll inevitably see some slew rate limiting, compression or bandwidth limiting for large signals near the rails. Nice thing about the old stuff is the wide supply rails meant freedom from that (unless you seriously overdrive the input, in which case saturation recovery may be good or awful depending on make).
Indeed, my 475 for instance notes the rise/fall time is notably better for e.g. 2-3 div height than 6-8 div full screen. That's for an entire analog signal path, of course, but similar reasons could very well apply for the digital scope's preamp.
Where is this noted? I looked through the 475 documentation and did not find it. I have seen this sort of specification before but it is insignificant on all of the oscilloscopes I have used. Almost all analog oscilloscopes would be using 5 divisions anyway for a rise/fall time measurement.