Member Wuerstchenhund (now banned)
I didn't know that. That sucks, I always enjoyed his posts...
There is something new coming from R&S this month which, based on the model number, may be a rival for the MSOX3000.
Don't know any more than that but have been promised one.
Whilst searching for information on a particular silly scope I came across a few of his recent posts on another forum, I forget which forum it was now but the discussion was in relation to one of the a Siglents.
A loss to the forum IMHO.
Whilst searching for information on a particular silly scope I came across a few of his recent posts on another forum, I forget which forum it was now but the discussion was in relation to one of the a Siglents.There's a few hits on Google and it seems he's active here:
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/members/wuerstchenhund.471615/
There's some stuff on LeCroy's there too if you go looking.
There is something new coming from R&S this month which, based on the model number, may be a rival for the MSOX3000.
Don't know any more than that but have been promised one.When I spoke with them some time ago, complaining about RTB2000 being nice but not quite there (no 50 Ohms, etc, etc..) they hinted that if I'm not in a hurry, I might wait for 1st quarter, because they are planning to release a new scope a bit above RTB2000... I guess it would be replacement for HMO3000 series....
If they make it on the same platform as RTB2000 but a bit "upgraded".. that would be serious problem for MSXO3000 series.....
I doubt that. The RTB2000 still has several bugs left to fix almost a year after it was introduced and no real hurry to fix them. R&S = Rigol & Siglent
On a more serious note: R&S scopes tend to get very expensive if you add a few options. The base price is low but it is easy to add 100% of the base price by adding just a few options.
There is something new coming from R&S this month which, based on the model number, may be a rival for the MSOX3000.
Don't know any more than that but have been promised one.When I spoke with them some time ago, complaining about RTB2000 being nice but not quite there (no 50 Ohms, etc, etc..) they hinted that if I'm not in a hurry, I might wait for 1st quarter, because they are planning to release a new scope a bit above RTB2000... I guess it would be replacement for HMO3000 series....
If they make it on the same platform as RTB2000 but a bit "upgraded".. that would be serious problem for MSXO3000 series.....I doubt that. The RTB2000 still has several bugs left to fix almost a year after it was introduced and no real hurry to fix them.
The MSO3000T is a very fast scope with a nice interface but I cannot justify the max 4Mpts of memory interleaved, it is just too small (@ 5GSample/s it is just 800us of data).
The MSO3000T is a very fast scope with a nice interface but I cannot justify the max 4Mpts of memory interleaved, it is just too small (@ 5GSample/s it is just 800us of data).If your use cases are typical, you will care about that maybe 5% of the time. Other scope manufacturers may brag about having a zillion gigasamples of acquisition memory, but extensive usability and performance compromises are often necessary in order to make that happen.
Member Wuerstchenhund (now banned)
I didn't know that. That sucks, I always enjoyed his posts...
A loss to the forum IMHO.
There are more issues with the way Keysight's ASIC works. For example the next to useless reference traces. If you pull the curtain up a bit further there are more problems to be found. I used to own a MSO7104A so I'm familiar with the limitations of the architecture.
Member Wuerstchenhund (now banned)
I didn't know that. That sucks, I always enjoyed his posts...
A loss to the forum IMHO.
For some balance on this, while I am sure he is exceptionally knowledgeable, I found his manner opinionated and condescending. He has the dubious honour of being one of only two people I’ve ever put on a forum ignore list. The last straw for me was an unnecessary and divisive political ad hominem he added to his sig, and a few days later he went on my ignore list: I already knew from previous experience of him that engaging and suggesting he remove or change the sig would be a waste of time.
Over time I’d also come to the conclusion that he must be insufferable to work with, knows it all and makes sure you know he does too. He asked me for some help once in a PM for his scope, rather than on the board iitself, I assume he used a PM to avoid being exposed as someone who had that terrible weakness of not knowing everything adter all.
For the avoidance of doubt I hadn’t complained or reported him to the moderators. Not to put to finer point on it, to my mind he’s probably a first rate engineer, but comes across as a second rate human being I’m afraid.
Member Wuerstchenhund (now banned)
I didn't know that. That sucks, I always enjoyed his posts...
A loss to the forum IMHO.
For some balance on this, while I am sure he is exceptionally knowledgeable, I found his manner opinionated and condescending. He has the dubious honour of being one of only two people I’ve ever put on a forum ignore list. The last straw for me was an unnecessary and divisive political ad hominem he added to his sig, and a few days later he went on my ignore list: I already knew from previous experience of him that engaging and suggesting he remove or change the sig would be a waste of time.
For the avoidance of doubt I hadn’t complained or reported him to the moderators. Not to put to finer point on it, to my mind he’s probably a first rate engineer, but comes across as a second rate human being I’m afraid.
The MSO3000T is a very fast scope with a nice interface but I cannot justify the max 4Mpts of memory interleaved, it is just too small (@ 5GSample/s it is just 800us of data).If your use cases are typical, you will care about that maybe 5% of the time. Other scope manufacturers may brag about having a zillion gigasamples of acquisition memory, but extensive usability and performance compromises are often necessary in order to make that happen.There are more issues with the way Keysight's ASIC works. For example the next to useless reference traces. If you pull the curtain up a bit further there are more problems to be found. I used to own a MSO7104A so I'm familiar with the limitations of the architecture.
The MSO3000T is a very fast scope with a nice interface but I cannot justify the max 4Mpts of memory interleaved, it is just too small (@ 5GSample/s it is just 800us of data).If your use cases are typical, you will care about that maybe 5% of the time. Other scope manufacturers may brag about having a zillion gigasamples of acquisition memory, but extensive usability and performance compromises are often necessary in order to make that happen.There are more issues with the way Keysight's ASIC works. For example the next to useless reference traces. If you pull the curtain up a bit further there are more problems to be found. I used to own a MSO7104A so I'm familiar with the limitations of the architecture.
What is wrong wit the reference traces?
Which is more important deep memory or sampling rate?
QuoteWhich is more important deep memory or sampling rate?
That depends on your application.
Wavesurfer 3054 perhaps?
http://teledynelecroy.com/oscilloscope/oscilloscopemodel.aspx?modelid=8558&capid=102&mid=504According to Jportici this one is also dog slow. And like every Lecroy: no peak detect and that will bite you in the ass sooner or later.
Personally I'm waiting for Keysight and/or Tektronix to release new oscilloscopes based on faster platforms. Currently there is nothing out there which offers a significant upgrade over what I have now.
Guys, we have new scopes from R&S, see a comparison below.
Which is more important deep memory or sampling rate?
Member Wuerstchenhund (now banned)
I didn't know that. That sucks, I always enjoyed his posts...
A loss to the forum IMHO.
For some balance on this, while I am sure he is exceptionally knowledgeable, I found his manner opinionated and condescending. He has the dubious honour of being one of only two people I’ve ever put on a forum ignore list. The last straw for me was an unnecessary and divisive political ad hominem he added to his sig, and a few days later he went on my ignore list: I already knew from previous experience of him that engaging and suggesting he remove or change the sig would be a waste of time.
Over time I’d also come to the conclusion that he must be insufferable to work with, knows it all and makes sure you know he does too. He asked me for some help once in a PM for his scope, rather than on the board iitself, I assume he used a PM to avoid being exposed as someone who had that terrible weakness of not knowing everything adter all.
For the avoidance of doubt I hadn’t complained or reported him to the moderators. Not to put to finer point on it, to my mind he’s probably a first rate engineer, but comes across as a second rate human being I’m afraid.