After looking it over it seems more or less 100 bucks less for losing the accessory port.. which frankly the ones for it never excited me anyway
I suspect this very well could be enabled to 200 MHz but as its a board spin maybe not... wont be till someone gets one and gives it go that we will know
After looking it over it seems more or less 100 bucks less for losing the accessory port.. which frankly the ones for it never excited me anyway
I suspect this very well could be enabled to 200 MHz but as its a board spin maybe not... wont be till someone gets one and gives it go that we will know
Edit.. on second thought they could have just depopd it and its just a bom rev
After looking it over it seems more or less 100 bucks less for losing the accessory port.. which frankly the ones for it never excited me anyway
I suspect this very well could be enabled to 200 MHz but as its a board spin maybe not... wont be till someone gets one and gives it go that we will know
Edit.. on second thought they could have just depopd it and its just a bom revNo, it needs be a new PCB as the signal path has changed to allow a single ADC to process all 4 channels.
After looking it over it seems more or less 100 bucks less for losing the accessory port.. which frankly the ones for it never excited me anyway
I suspect this very well could be enabled to 200 MHz but as its a board spin maybe not... wont be till someone gets one and gives it go that we will know
Edit.. on second thought they could have just depopd it and its just a bom revNo, it needs be a new PCB as the signal path has changed to allow a single ADC to process all 4 channels.
Its a single now? Ouch..... market fishing for higher profit margins? This seems like a lot of effort for a lot less product for not a lot less money..... no idea who would buy this and just throw their dollars away as far as single user or small groups go... this thing is a flop for the hobbyist with the E version around and not much more
this thing is a flop for the hobbyist with the E version around and not much more
There are several omissions in capability with X-U now that were clearly outlined in rf-loops SDS1104X-U thread.
IIRC
No MSO, only 1 USB-A port, zero options, web server removed, lesser Pts FFT, no 500uV/div, No Bode plot.
It's obvious to me SDS1104X-U has been built down to a price point for the hobbyists first 4ch DSO where based on it's other specifications still competes strongly with anything else in this new price point.
The devil is in the details and one need study any DSO datasheet carefully.....which is no problem, we're engineers aren't we ?
I see the X-E at a higher level of capability albeit more expensive however it's already a well proven platform in the sub $500 bracket.
SDS1104X-U is sub $400 bracket like SDS1202X-E but the 200 MHz 2ch can do some things X-U cannot do.
Interesting times.
If they sell it at 250 on sale that would make a nice pickup.. half the cost and an entire different bracket on the cheap end
If they sell it at 250 on sale that would make a nice pickup.. half the cost and an entire different bracket on the cheap end
For a 4ch DSO....I wish.....what are you smoking ?
Can I have some ?
I'm in my 40's, I have an okay salary, at this point in life I value time more than money. If I purchase an SDS1204X-E ($760) or an SDS2104X Plus ($1400), over the course of several years would I save myself more than a week of wasted time compared to using an SDS1104X-U? Are the capabilities of the more expensive scopes going to have a significant impact on how long it takes me to debug problems in my circuits?
I'm in my 40's, I have an okay salary, at this point in life I value time more than money. If I purchase an SDS1204X-E ($760) or an SDS2104X Plus ($1400), over the course of several years would I save myself more than a week of wasted time compared to using an SDS1104X-U? Are the capabilities of the more expensive scopes going to have a significant impact on how long it takes me to debug problems in my circuits?
It's clear to me. This scope is designed to compete apples to apples with the Rigol 1054Z. It has effectively the same price and feature set. The Rigol has one ADC, this has one. The Rigol does not have 500uV/division, neither does this. The Rigol has no integrated web server, neither does this. And so on.
I'm in my 40's, I have an okay salary, at this point in life I value time more than money. If I purchase an SDS1204X-E ($760) or an SDS2104X Plus ($1400), over the course of several years would I save myself more than a week of wasted time compared to using an SDS1104X-U? Are the capabilities of the more expensive scopes going to have a significant impact on how long it takes me to debug problems in my circuits?
It's clear to me. This scope is designed to compete apples to apples with the Rigol 1054Z. It has effectively the same price and feature set. The Rigol has one ADC, this has one. The Rigol does not have 500uV/division, neither does this. The Rigol has no integrated web server, neither does this. And so on.
It's clear to me. This scope is designed to compete apples to apples with the Rigol 1054Z. It has effectively the same price and feature set. The Rigol has one ADC, this has one. The Rigol does not have 500uV/division, neither does this. The Rigol has no integrated web server, neither does this. And so on.
Lets just ask few questions about new SDS1104X-U to Siglent experts. I don't have the scope so cannot test myself.
I am not expert but I still answer.
1. What can you do with segment/history frames. (Rigol cannot do any of this)
-Can you play them back with persistence to get envelope of all captured frames ?
-Can you decode from them ?
-Can you enable measurements on history frames ?
2. Does it have Measurement trend (Rigol has that)
3. Does it have CAN/LIN (Rigol doesn't)
4. Does it measure over full captured data (Rigol doesn't)
5. Does it has better/faster msk test. Those are very useful sometimes.
6. Does it have detected peaks table in FFT? Is it sortable? (Rigol doesn't have it)
7. Does it have search function? What can it do? (Rigol has none)
8. Is 1mV/div real analog range. (Rigol has 1mV/div by zooming in software from 5mV/div)
9. Does it have color grading display? (It seems to does, Rigol doesn't)
It's clear to me. This scope is designed to compete apples to apples with the Rigol 1054Z. It has effectively the same price and feature set. The Rigol has one ADC, this has one. The Rigol does not have 500uV/division, neither does this. The Rigol has no integrated web server, neither does this. And so on.
Lets just ask few questions about new SDS1104X-U to Siglent experts. I don't have the scope so cannot test myself.
1. What can you do with segment/history frames. (Rigol cannot do any of this)
-Can you play them back with persistence to get envelope of all captured frames ?
-Can you decode from them ?
-Can you enable measurements on history frames ?
2. Does it have Measurement trend (Rigol has that)
3. Does it have CAN/LIN (Rigol doesn't)
4. Does it measure over full captured data (Rigol doesn't)
5. Does it has better/faster msk test. Those are very useful sometimes.
6. Does it have detected peaks table in FFT? Is it sortable? (Rigol doesn't have it)
7. Does it have search function? What can it do? (Rigol has none)
8. Is 1mV/div real analog range. (Rigol has 1mV/div by zooming in software from 5mV/div)
9. Does it have color grading display? (It seems to does, Rigol doesn't)
Potentially there is quite some difference. Also, for those who care, Siglent is more responsive to user input.
all they need to do is refresh their bargain scopes and it will push this one out.
It's clear to me. This scope is designed to compete apples to apples with the Rigol 1054Z. It has effectively the same price and feature set. The Rigol has one ADC, this has one. The Rigol does not have 500uV/division, neither does this. The Rigol has no integrated web server, neither does this. And so on.
Lets just ask few questions about new SDS1104X-U to Siglent experts. I don't have the scope so cannot test myself.
1. What can you do with segment/history frames. (Rigol cannot do any of this)
-Can you play them back with persistence to get envelope of all captured frames ?
-Can you decode from them ?
-Can you enable measurements on history frames ?
2. Does it have Measurement trend (Rigol has that)
3. Does it have CAN/LIN (Rigol doesn't)
4. Does it measure over full captured data (Rigol doesn't)
5. Does it has better/faster msk test. Those are very useful sometimes.
6. Does it have detected peaks table in FFT? Is it sortable? (Rigol doesn't have it)
7. Does it have search function? What can it do? (Rigol has none)
8. Is 1mV/div real analog range. (Rigol has 1mV/div by zooming in software from 5mV/div)
9. Does it have color grading display? (It seems to does, Rigol doesn't)
Potentially there is quite some difference. Also, for those who care, Siglent is more responsive to user input.
Considering what they did to strip the board to make this, its harder to guess at how well it will preform vs its mother without open reviews posted but does have a good bit the rigol doesnt. That said i dont think this was made directly at rigol either... they have been in that segment for ages now. It's both a platform round out and also like tau said to put a 100M marker at 4ch/400 without being hacked. That said i'd think rigol would be coming out with something new sooner or later that would smoke it because its not rigol but gwinstek who actually has the better offering than rigol and this new siglent if hacked and dont forget both the rigol and gwinstek platforms are over FIVE years old now.... all they need to do is refresh their bargain
I'd be more interested in a comparison against gwinstek GDS-1000B that has a lot of what the siglent does
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesDownNew/1738/130
It's clear to me. This scope is designed to compete apples to apples with the Rigol 1054Z. It has effectively the same price and feature set. The Rigol has one ADC, this has one. The Rigol does not have 500uV/division, neither does this. The Rigol has no integrated web server, neither does this. And so on.
Lets just ask few questions about new SDS1104X-U to Siglent experts. I don't have the scope so cannot test myself.
1. What can you do with segment/history frames. (Rigol cannot do any of this)
-Can you play them back with persistence to get envelope of all captured frames ?
-Can you decode from them ?
-Can you enable measurements on history frames ?
2. Does it have Measurement trend (Rigol has that)
3. Does it have CAN/LIN (Rigol doesn't)
4. Does it measure over full captured data (Rigol doesn't)
5. Does it has better/faster msk test. Those are very useful sometimes.
6. Does it have detected peaks table in FFT? Is it sortable? (Rigol doesn't have it)
7. Does it have search function? What can it do? (Rigol has none)
8. Is 1mV/div real analog range. (Rigol has 1mV/div by zooming in software from 5mV/div)
9. Does it have color grading display? (It seems to does, Rigol doesn't)
Potentially there is quite some difference. Also, for those who care, Siglent is more responsive to user input.
Considering what they did to strip the board to make this, its harder to guess at how well it will preform vs its mother without open reviews posted but does have a good bit the rigol doesnt. That said i dont think this was made directly at rigol either... they have been in that segment for ages now.