Oh yeah, this thread is going to go over well, I can smell it...
Jordan Peterson, besides generally saying many words with little substance, is widely critiqued and discredited, especially for his association to the alt-right in recent years. Which tells you all you really need to know about his followers. Anyway, some salient points here:
Quote5) This is an electronics forum, so try to stay on-topic.This affects our workplace and livelihood.
If we cannot discuss this here, among other engineers, scientists and hobbyists with similar mindsets, we cannot discuss this anywhere anymore.
The problem is, discrimination in the opposite direction, known as positive discrimination in the UK or affirmative action over the pond, is now making things worse. It results in unsuitable candidates being selected and a poorer quality workforce.
We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.
Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.
We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.
Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.
Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.
I beg to differ. Please look back over the last two pages of posts -- I did not see a single one which discussed engineering implications. This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.
We cannot discuss it here because forum rules forbid it. Amazingly moderators seem happy to also post on this thread.
Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.
As I said before, the same happens with the Ucrania-Russia war, and also with Lehman brothers, the decisions made by governments against COVID, the decisions made (or not) by governments about climate change, US gun control, capitalism vs. socialism, and so on.
Simply, this is politics, but a question of politics that is of interest for some moderators here.
Whilst some people might find this topic "political", it seems to be quite relevant...
Electronics engineering seems to attract some diverse people, including those who are transgender, gender diverse or otherwise. For what reason and I don't know why, but there seems to be a higher proportion of people who have some kind of sexual or gender "quirk", have aspergers, ADHD, whatever.... compared to a lot of other industries.
Now, I guess I'm biased, in that I say this as a gay man myself, but... this whole focus on gender, sexual identity, etc... etc... is a load of shit. The flavour of the month at the moment seems to be people who have a vagina. Tomorrow, it'll be something else, because "society" says so, but society is fucking stupid. This is not to say that there aren't capable women, of course there are, but I have personally seen male candidates (of indiscriminate sexual orientation) overlooked for positions, simply because of their biological gender.
Who you are as a person should have absolutely zero bearing on whether you get a particular job or promotion. Whether you're male, female, gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, aboriginal, Vietnamese, Afro-american or any other combination you can think of... none of that matters when it comes to being suited to a particular role or job.
Quotas don't work. Period. So why enforce them?
And before anyone starts... your personal views on religion have nothing to do with it either.
If you think that we can just walk away from the issue, and let it blow over, than you are in for a surprise.
There is something called ESG credit score: https://esg.moodys.io/esg-credit It's a scoring system, where the S social and G Governance score is given based on your company's willingness to subscribe to these radical left ideas. I gave you a Moodys link, where they clearly state that they are incorporating this score into your company's credit rating. Black Rock and other huge institutions follow this.
What does this mean? If your company is not compliant, doesn't want equity over equality, doesn't want to implement CRT, or deals with other companies with low ESG score, you will not get funded. You will not get the necessary credits to expand, to grow, or to avoid a bankruptcy. As time goes on, there will be less and less companies surviving on the long term, who are not radical leftist.
Every single time, the radical left was left unchecked, millions of people died who disagreed, or were in the way.
So we cannot be complacent and leave them to just bark on their own turf. They are coming to your independent companies, and your movies and your social media posts and then they just cancel you. In their book it is not enough to not have an opinion about this. Why do you think companies are organizing brainwashing sessions about social justice?
Because this thread and topic is ultimately about our workplaces, our institutions, our universities etc And as previous threads on the same topic have discussed, engineering names, documentation, coding, etc. It infiltrates everything.
I beg to differ. Please look back over the last two pages of posts -- I did not see a single one which discussed engineering implications. This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.
This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.
This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.How very decolonial of you. Have you already tweeted how you voted to silence ugly white old middle-aged men griping about politically-motivated irrational unfairness affecting their professions? You should. I'm sure you'll getbrownierainbow points from your fellow ideolobots there.
Simply, this is politics, but a question of politics that is of interest for some moderators here.
That is why this is relevant. If people like myself consider a career change away from this toxic mess, the industry WILL fail. Software related blackouts will run rampant.
Is THAT relevant enough?
And these attacks are always in the one direction from extreme left to supposed right.
It feels like someone connected a very, very left voltage source to that scale and while I thought I was slightly left of centre, I now find myself out on the right apparently. They shifted the scale under me and now I feel a little unsafe.
That's called a shift in the Overton Window, and it is a much analysed and discussed topic. People (like me) who considered themselves left (even far left in many regards) now find themsleves in the "centre", because the Overton Window has well and truly shifted to the left. But to the new extreme left you are now marked as a right wing nutjob, alt-right, or something to that effect. That's why the new left are eating themselves, with J.K.Rowing being a classic high profile example.
There is a fair amount of diversity here. We have already had comments to that effect. I'd honestly love to here the opinion of women engineers, there are some on here.
I hope we aren't excluding them? Are we?
Still in my carrier as an EE, I have seen most Firms hiring Discrimination for decades against Seniors ( anyone over 50 ) ,discrimination against American engineers in favor of cheap offshore.
What about illegal Discrimination nowadays against Asians, Europeans, by Government, schools, media?
this whole focus on gender, sexual identity, etc... etc... is a load of shit.
If someone from a diverse background came to us, and they were a qualified candidate, why would we turn them down? Their skin colour, sexuality, gender, transition-or-not -- it doesn't matter. The question is can they do the job? And that's all there is.
Quotas don't work. Period. So why enforce them?
This is a plain old politics discussion, apparently mostly among middle-aged men. My vote is to lock this thread.How very decolonial of you. Have you already tweeted how you voted to silence ugly white old middle-aged men griping about politically-motivated irrational unfairness affecting their professions? You should. I'm sure you'll getbrownierainbow points from your fellow ideolobots there.Oh come on. I have no problem with middle-aged men, being one myself. (And on the upper end of the "middle aged" spectrum.) But I don't enjoy being inside an echo chamber full of us guys. I can develop my own biases and don't need a group to help me develop or reconfirm those.
this whole focus on gender, sexual identity, etc... etc... is a load of shit.
Yes, yes it is. It's infuriating especially since it's a fundamentally broken approach.
If someone from a diverse background came to us, and they were a qualified candidate, why would we turn them down? Their skin colour, sexuality, gender, transition-or-not -- it doesn't matter. The question is can they do the job? And that's all there is.
IME this is one of the great aspects of the engineering field. If it's engineers hiring engineers, then zero shits are given about anything other than competency to do the job. Enginneers are famously practical like that
I was interviewed by and hired for my first job by a female tech. Zero shits given about giving the job to another (rare) woman. She liked me and my attitude and hobby background, I'm hired, the end.
And these attacks are always in the one direction from extreme left to supposed right.
It feels like someone connected a very, very left voltage source to that scale and while I thought I was slightly left of centre, I now find myself out on the right apparently. They shifted the scale under me and now I feel a little unsafe.