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The Art of Electronics 3rd edition - author response
Posted by
SnakeBite
on 20 May, 2011 11:41
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i read a lot of times in the internet about THE ART OF ELECTRONICS third edition that it SHOULD be out soon (i think the first time anyone talked about it, it was meant to be published in 2006)
so i contact one of the authors -Winfield Hill and ask him about it.
this is a copy of my email message:
ido aricha wrote:
> i have read on the internet that you planning to publish the new
> edition for the Art of Electronics and i wondered when it going to be
> published ?
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> thanks
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> Ido,Israel
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We're working full-time on the 3rd edition, and are more
than 2/3 through so far, and hope to see it out this year,
although it may slip a bit. We're still inviting suggestions
for new material, etc. Thanks for your interest.
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- Win
Winfield Hill
Rowland Institute at Harvard
100 Edwin Land Blvd
Cambridge, MA 02142
617-497-4670
too bad it taking so long...i mean , i want up to date book but i think that there is no limit to the modern electronics development and if they always want the best up to date book it will never be published....
Ido
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If I understood Dave correctly, in one of his blogs, he stated that the 3rd edition was to be supplemental - that is, you still want the 2nd edition as well.
Does anyone know if this is still the author's plan?
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#2 Reply
Posted by
SnakeBite
on 20 May, 2011 12:00
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If I understood Dave correctly, in one of his blogs, he stated that the 3rd edition was to be supplemental - that is, you still want the 2nd edition as well.
Does anyone know if this is still the author's plan?
i have sent him you question.
when i'll get an answer i will post it here.
Ido
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#3 Reply
Posted by
SnakeBite
on 20 May, 2011 15:54
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here is his official response :
> thanks for the quick response.
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https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.msg46226#msg46226>
> opened a discotion on your book in the EEVBLOG (stands for "electronics
> engineering video blog") forum here:
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https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.msg46226#msg46226>
> many people around the world are waiting for the book to be published.
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> there was a question there about the book:
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> is the 2nd edition a supplemental to the 3rd edition?
Please post his answer for us:
No, hah! It's certainly not just a supplement!
It stands on its own, very much a new book; some
old stuff is kept, but sadly much of the really
great 2nd-edition stuff is tossed to make room
(even tho the 3rd ed has a larger page size,
wider columns, a smaller font and more pages).
Most of you will want to keep your 2nd edition
(or get hold of a used copy someplace).
Brand new important chapters on precision
circuits, low-noise (loads of new material,
secret replacements found for discontinued
low-noise parts, with extensive measurements
and analysis). A/D and D/A converters. Five
logic & microcontroller chapters, including new
detailed interfacing digital to the real world.
Awesome new "x" chapters added after regular
chapters, with extended, advanced material.
E.g., Chapter 1x after intro Chapter 1, with
new "properties of components," including lab
measurements you need, not available elsewhere.
Chapter 2x, with advanced BJT stuff. 3x after
the regular chapter 3 (FETs), full of advanced
JFET and MOSFET info. Chapter 4x, advanced
opamp stuff, tables, measurements, the works.
Chapter 9x after ch 9, advanced power stuff.
20 chapters in all (2nd ed had 15 chapters).
- Win
Ido
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#4 Reply
Posted by
Alex
on 20 May, 2011 16:12
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Yeap, sounds like Winfield to me!
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Thanks for getting that cleared up.
It looks like I'll want to own both.
EDIT: Crap, I think Dave said "complimentary" not "supplementary."
Well, my point should have been that it is not necessary to own both, but not redundant to own both, either.
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Posted by
Lance
on 20 May, 2011 20:10
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I have an idea. Have a huge edition available with everything in it.
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Posted by
EEVblog
on 20 May, 2011 23:49
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Yes, Win has always said it will a lot of the old material, so it's good to have both editions.
Thanks for the info.
Dave.
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#8 Reply
Posted by
domm123
on 23 May, 2011 00:18
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Posted by
sacherjj
on 23 May, 2011 00:31
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I ordered the one from India a week or so ago. Should be here next week. I'll post my feelings on that edition.
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Posted by
joelby
on 23 May, 2011 01:14
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Cool, I found it on abebooks.com, which is at least searched by booko.com.au, which means that some other people must have heard of it before!
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Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual
i suggest you make a stronger binding for the book before the pages tear apart. the glueing is not so strong. i did "A" to strengten it. the "B" showing the scared lamination, its really vurnerable, so handle your book with care. cant remember what cause it, heat or sticked to something else cant remember. and you'll notice the paper used inside is kind of recycled paper and very thin. but i'm happy with it as its cheap, what matters to me is the content, and i dont give a sh*t on aesthetic as long as the contents are intact... hence the DIY binding you see in "A" (its non aligned hole is worst at the front page, but i took the back picture to show you "B" as well)
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#12 Reply
Posted by
saturation
on 24 May, 2011 05:51
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Being the classic it is, printed on acid free paper would help. My book pages are turning yellow.
It may be helpful to retitle the original as Volume 1, and the 3rd Edition as Volume 2.
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#13 Reply
Posted by
sacherjj
on 24 May, 2011 23:42
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Mine arrived today and looks exactly line the others prior in this thread. I agree that the binding will need work to keep together with much use. Mine was a used book when I got it, so there is a small tear already at the binding.
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#14 Reply
Posted by
Neganur
on 14 Jun, 2011 14:50
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Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual
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www indiabookmart com
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3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.
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#15 Reply
Posted by
sacherjj
on 14 Jun, 2011 15:56
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3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.
Mine was shipped DHL and arrived fairly fast. Although they shipped it in a plastic bag envelope, so the binding was busted a little. I would rather slower and less damage, so maybe it will be a good thing for the speed.
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#16 Reply
Posted by
ndictu
on 14 Jun, 2011 16:03
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3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.
Me too, I ordered them on 24th May. I sent them a mail today about it, no response yet (it was already pretty late in India when I sent it so I'm hoping for a response tomorrow). Paypal gives me 45 days to get my money back so I think I'm going to give them until 24th June.
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Aww man! This is awesome, I got the book yesteraday, and now I read about it on the blog.
Looks like a good, informative, and long read.
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Aww man! This is awesome, I got the book yesteraday, and now I read about it on the blog.
Looks like a good, informative, and long read.
I'm talking about the second edition of course
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Paypal gives me 45 days to get my money back so I think I'm going to give them until 24th June.
by raising to dispute, you'll have another extra 20 days, before raising it to claim, in case the item still not arrive.
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#20 Reply
Posted by
ndictu
on 14 Jun, 2011 21:06
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Paypal gives me 45 days to get my money back so I think I'm going to give them until 24th June.
by raising to dispute, you'll have another extra 20 days, before raising it to claim, in case the item still not arrive.
Thanks, good to know. But I hope it doesn't come to that, I don't have very good experience with PayPal's customer support.
My old account got flagged for suspicious activity (nothing really happened, I just used it few times one day) so I went through all the changing passwords, security questions (up to this point I was actually impressed by how seriously they take the security and didn't mind it at all), then uploading a scan of my passport and monthly statement from bank to prove my identity etc. but they wouldn't verify that. That was the step that required human looking on that scan and clicking a button, but for some reason that never happened. So I tried contacting them, but let me just tell you, don't even bother.
There is a contact form where you select your problem from a list and get an automated response that is pretty much just copied entry from the FAQ. My problem wasn't there so I picked "Other", filled out what was going on and of course I get the standard FAQ response telling me to upload scanned documents, which I already did and did state so in the contact form. So I write again, starting in full caps that I need a human not FAQ entry, giving them the ID of the last support ticket. And I did get a human response. One paragraph, like "Hi my name is ... paypal takes very seriously ... we are sorry for the inconvenience ... " the standard avoiding problem bullshit, and after that, the same damn FAQ entry as the last time.
Of course you can't do anything until you are verified, not even close the account. Luckily for me, the next month my credit card expired, got a new one and made a new account. That one is still pending on my scanned documents.
Woo, got a little ranty here, sorry
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My old account got flagged for suspicious activity (nothing really happened, I just used it few times one day) so I went through all the changing passwords, security questions (up to this point I was actually impressed by how seriously they take the security and didn't mind it at all)
Via an e-mail?
then uploading a scan of my passport and monthly statement from bank to prove my identity etc. but they wouldn't verify that. That was the step that required human looking on that scan and clicking a button, but for some reason that never happened. So I tried contacting them, but let me just tell you, don't even bother.
Are you sure it's Paypal and your not being scammed? Uploads of a passport? You don't need that to open an account, why would the need it now? Check carefully where you've been uploading to.
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Posted by
ndictu
on 15 Jun, 2011 22:34
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Via an e-mail?
Huh?
Are you sure it's Paypal and your not being scammed? Uploads of a passport? You don't need that to open an account, why would the need it now? Check carefully where you've been uploading to.
Dude, I'm not retarded
Since they thought someone had my password and used my account they required me to verify my identity somehow. You don't need that when opening account because you are going to enter your credit card info, either you own the card so it's fine, or you stole it but then you can use it even without paypal. However, in my case the credit card details were already there, ready to be used, and the potential attacker could use my card to make payments so until I verified my identity the account was frozen.
Now, this is, in my opinion, a great thing. However, when I used the form in resolution center and uploaded scanned documents with my name and address several times, and it still says "pending for review", and the only response I can get from them is a FAQ entry saying "upload document in the resolution center for review" then it kind of sucks.
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Via an e-mail?
Huh?
Seemed a simple enough question? Contacted you via e-mail, phone call, public shouting, courier pigeon?
Are you sure it's Paypal and your not being scammed? Uploads of a passport? You don't need that to open an account, why would the need it now? Check carefully where you've been uploading to.
Dude, I'm not retarded
I never made that accusation. Some of the scams I see bombarding us are now becoming increasing sophisticated and authentic in appearance. As for sending scanned copies of documents, where is that file now? Is it the only copy? If identity thieves get a hold of that plus publicly available details they have scored a home run.
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to get the picture... i frequently got an email saying my bank account is suspiciously being hacked. and in the email they provided the link to log in to confirm your identity. sure you can click on the link. but when the new windows popped up, if you check the address above, its not https:\\www.mybank.com, but instead http:\\www.scammersite\readytoread\andhack\yourpassword.com. the interface is 100% identical as the real bank site. once you entered your password, it will be stored in the scammers database ready to be processed/hack in the line. and the next thing you see on the screen, is some excuse like "oh sorry f*ck! we cannot process your password!" got it? the solution is, always change your password from time to time, it will make your previous password useless to the cracker.
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Posted by
ndictu
on 16 Jun, 2011 09:14
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Seemed a simple enough question? Contacted you via e-mail, phone call, public shouting, courier pigeon?
Oh right, didn't get that. Anyway, it was some time ago so I'm not sure if I got a warning mail, probably yes. But after logging in it took me through the verification process. Yes, it was paypal website, with valid certificate. And there wasn't no activity on that credit card either.
I never made that accusation. Some of the scams I see bombarding us are now becoming increasing sophisticated and authentic in appearance. As for sending scanned copies of documents, where is that file now? Is it the only copy? If identity thieves get a hold of that plus publicly available details they have scored a home run.
I know you didn't, just kidding. Yes there are sophisticated scams, but I do not know of anyone with quantum computer that can break paypal's certificate private key. (Although, some cheap cert authorities will sign anything, I saw a blog post where someone got google.com signed for a few bucks. Yes, that CA was/is probably in your browser's root list. That's why you should check every cert you use, or remove some CAs from the root list.)
About the documents, no idea where they are. I just checked my scanned images and since I don't scan much stuff I was able to find that, looks like I only went with the bank statement (you could do either, or even utility bills or something) so no passport. I blacked out my transactions, left only the relevant stuff.
The account is dead, since I can't even close it. The files are probably living on some paypal server, waiting for review ... Maybe they automatically delete them after some time, no idea. There still might be backups of it that will stay forever but I wouldn't bother backing this up, no idea what they policies are.
But I couldn't care less, they have my name, address (which you could get from whois on a domain I own, dozens of online shops know it, ...) and info about expired credit card. That is all worthless information so I just let it go, made a new account with new card and try to avoid "suspicious activity" like you know, buying stuff
to get the picture... i frequently got an email saying my bank account is suspiciously being hacked. and in the email they provided the link to log in to confirm your identity. sure you can click on the link. but when the new windows popped up, if you check the address above, its not https:\\www.mybank.com, but instead http:\\www.scammersite\readytoread\andhack\yourpassword.com. the interface is 100% identical as the real bank site. once you entered your password, it will be stored in the scammers database ready to be processed/hack in the line. and the next thing you see on the screen, is some excuse like "oh sorry f*ck! we cannot process your password!" got it? the solution is, always change your password from time to time, it will make your previous password useless to the cracker.
Yeah, this is still a big thing, especially for not very savvy users. Browsers try to warn you if you are entering password over http, if the certificate isn't valid, or is self-signed. I think gmail warns you if the mailserver the message came from and the sender header don't match. But it is still a pretty easy think to do.
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how is it possible that I find the low price edition in a university bookshop in South Africa. But the books have to be imported by some of the people who live in well developed countries.
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Posted by
ndictu
on 17 Jun, 2011 13:22
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how is it possible that I find the low price edition in a university bookshop in South Africa. But the books have to be imported by some of the people who live in well developed countries.
Good for you, around here it is hard to get original books. For example, about 99% books about computer science / programming are translated. The selection of originals isn't very good either, but the translations make it worse. Since it takes them forever to translate it the technology they are describing is already obsolete when it comes to the stores. They also refuse to use English terminology, and let's face it, programming is an English field. They use translated names and acronyms, often different between translators and if you learn that you are unable to find what you need on the web.
Not that familiar with electronics books, since I just got interested in that recently but I don't remember ever seeing an original book on that either.
Most original, untranslated books are the learning English stories from Oxford press where you have classical stories/novels, written in different levels (..., 500 words, 1k words, ... vocabularies)
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#28 Reply
Posted by
Neganur
on 23 Jun, 2011 09:58
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Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual
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www indiabookmart com
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3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.
Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.
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#29 Reply
Posted by
ndictu
on 23 Jun, 2011 12:16
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Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.
Tomorrow will be 30 days since my order and I still didn't receive either the book or email response so probably will do the same thing. Please let me know how it went.
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#30 Reply
Posted by
joelby
on 01 Jul, 2011 05:31
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Mine hasn't shown up either, five and a half weeks on. I ordered it from BookVistas.com via Abebooks.com.
I just checked the Abebooks.com order status page and it says, "Availability Confirmed - the bookseller has confirmed your order and will ship it upon processing or receipt of payment". I've written to ask what is going on. Terrible!
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#31 Reply
Posted by
joelby
on 01 Jul, 2011 07:34
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Ah, BookVistas responded very quickly and say that it has aleady been dispatched and to let them know if it still hasn't arrived in one week's time. The postal service out of India may just be incredibly slow!
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#32 Reply
Posted by
ndictu
on 01 Jul, 2011 08:10
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Ah, BookVistas responded very quickly and say that it has aleady been dispatched and to let them know if it still hasn't arrived in one week's time. The postal service out of India may just be incredibly slow!
Please let us know when/if you receive the books, I might re-order from them. Currently I'm waiting with my PayPal claim for the seller to respond, but since they managed to ignore my mails for a month I don't think they will. They have 3 more days, I'm guessing then it gets closed in my favor.
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#33 Reply
Posted by
joelby
on 01 Jul, 2011 08:13
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Sure thing.
It's unusual that they haven't responded to you, but replied to me so quickly!
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#34 Reply
Posted by
ndictu
on 01 Jul, 2011 09:15
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Sure thing.
It's unusual that they haven't responded to you, but replied to me so quickly!
I ordered from IndiaBookMart, not BookVistas.
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#35 Reply
Posted by
Neganur
on 04 Jul, 2011 10:22
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Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.
PayPal:
"We have concluded our investigation into your case and have decided in your
favor.
We were able to recover $30,06 USD and this amount has been credited to
you. Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be posted."
Guess I'll stick to Amazon in the future.
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#36 Reply
Posted by
ndictu
on 04 Jul, 2011 11:18
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Good to see. I should get that soon, seller has until today to respond which I'm guessing they aren't planning to do.
I'll probably order the real thing in hardcover from amazon or bookdepository.
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#37 Reply
Posted by
ndictu
on 05 Jul, 2011 21:38
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Just go my mail from PayPal, exact same message. This sure makes me like PayPal much more after that blocked account thing.
I already have both the book on their way from Amazon but it was about twice as expensive and it'll be here in about 2 weeks. Had I know this back then I could've ordered from them in the first place and have them delivered long time ago.
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#38 Reply
Posted by
joelby
on 12 Aug, 2011 03:20
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My 2nd edition from Abebooks finally arrived today! I wrote again to enquire and the company sent a new copy on the 28th of July. Who knows what happened to the original delivery
Anyway, the book looks great and like others have mentioned, even though it was packed well enough, it arrived looking a little battered. This was mainly because it was packed in cardboard and then bound in twine, which made some large dents on the cover, which seems like it was a bit dodgy to start with. I'm not bothered - it's a bit like buying pre-worn jeans. You don't want to put a textbook on your bookshelf and have it look like you've never cracked it open!
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#39 Reply
Posted by
johnboxall
on 12 Aug, 2011 05:19
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Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a south asia edition which is so much cheaper than the us edition..
about $31usd shipped for the book + student manual
...
www indiabookmart com
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3rd week gone and still waiting. Granted, shipping from India may take a while.
Escalating to a claim today since the seller did not contact me.
Me too. After placing an order they emailed to confirm the shipping address, then nothing for one month. Emailed them on all the addresses they used, no reply. Have an open Paypal dispute now.
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Any updates? I'm late to this thread, but would love to pick up the book and student manual for a song!
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#41 Reply
Posted by
johnboxall
on 03 Sep, 2011 02:04
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Any updates? I'm late to this thread, but would love to pick up the book and student manual for a song!
Try at your own risk. Paypal gave me a refund after the seller did not respond to dispute.
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#42 Reply
Posted by
joelby
on 03 Sep, 2011 03:01
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If you're not in a hurry, then I don't think you've got a lot to lose.
I can recommend using BookVistas via AbeBooks - while my first delivery went missing, they were responsive and sent a second via registered mail.
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#43 Reply
Posted by
johnboxall
on 03 Sep, 2011 03:23
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If you're not in a hurry, then I don't think you've got a lot to lose.
I can recommend using BookVistas via AbeBooks - while my first delivery went missing, they were responsive and sent a second via registered mail.
Great news - thanks for that. Will give them a try and report back.
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#44 Reply
Posted by
igorbog
on 28 Nov, 2011 19:29
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Please suggest me a webstore where I can order this book? thanks
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#45 Reply
Posted by
robrenz
on 28 Nov, 2011 20:00
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Please suggest me a webstore where I can order this book? thanks
The third edition is not out yet. You need to search for the second edition.
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Ah but you guys are missing out on the awesome shiny silver cover of the hardcover edition
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#47 Reply
Posted by
igorbog
on 29 Nov, 2011 08:54
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Please suggest me a webstore where I can order this book? thanks
The third edition is not out yet. You need to search for the second edition.
I asked about 2-nd edition. I cant find it on web international shipping(to Israel)
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#50 Reply
Posted by
igorbog
on 29 Nov, 2011 13:53
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Posted by
joelby
on 29 Nov, 2011 13:57
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Try
http://abebooks.com and look for sellers in India. If they're cheap ($20), it'll be the Asian version.
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#52 Reply
Posted by
ivan747
on 29 Nov, 2011 20:32
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But, will the Asian version last for more than 5 years under moderate use, something like twice a week?
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#53 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 25 Dec, 2011 22:47
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Hello, everyone.
I'm sure everyone has been excitely waiting the end of the year for news of the third edition (
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.0) So, I've taken it upon myself to ask for an update and surprise I got a response christmas morning. So, here's a christmas present for the electronics community
I asked "I was wondering if there's an update to when you think the 3rd edition might be out? "
And the response I got was as follows:
We're getting closer. For example, we broke the
old 80-page precision and low-noise Chapter 7 into
two, both greatly-expanded with massive cool stuff.
We submitted Chapter 5, Precision Circuits, last
summer, and it was 135 pages long. This week
we're finishing Chapter 8, Low-Noise Techniques,
and we expect it to be about 130 pages. So that's
about 3x more great material, on just those two
topics! We expect y'all will love it.
In January we'll submit chapter 9, Power Design -
it's almost done now, and then we'll have submitted
15 chapters, leaving five more "x" chapters to go.
I think I mentioned the x chapters, with their extra,
more-advanced material, so we certainly don't want
to short-change them! Anyway, three of those are
more than half done, and we hope to have submitted
everything by next summer.
That means the book should be out by late 2012 or
early 2013.
--
- Win
Winfield Hill
Rowland Institute at Harvard
100 Edwin Land Blvd
Cambridge, MA 02142
Happy Christmas everyone!
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#54 Reply
Posted by
saturation
on 04 Jan, 2012 12:09
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Isn't that ten dollars? (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)
Nothing to see here.
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#56 Reply
Posted by
Chet T16
on 04 Jan, 2012 15:25
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Isn't that ten dollars? (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)
Never let the facts get in the way of making a point!
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I wouldn't want a laser printed "book" even if I were stealing paper from work.
I suppose a color laser page would be 10 cents (.10) so that would be a grand. At work, they tell us a color print costs 7 cents. I'm not sure i believe it.
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Isn't that ten dollars? (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)
Never let the facts get in the way of making a point!
Touche...LMFAO!!
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Posted by
saturation
on 04 Jan, 2012 21:27
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Sorry, typo, error corrected. That should be 10c a page, not 1c. That's based on Kinkos B&W per page price, typically the price is more.
http://faq.bloglines.com/ref/Kinko%27s-Prices.htmlIf you own a personal laser printer, chances are its original makers cartridge would sell between $50-100 each, for ~ 3000 pages; that would be about 3c page, or $30. YMMV depending if you can use remanufactured cartridges or refill original ones.
Isn't that ten dollars? (.01 * 1000 = 10.00)
Never let the facts get in the way of making a point!
Touche...LMFAO!!
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Sorry, typo, error corrected. That should be 10c a page, not 1c. That's based on Kinkos B&W per page price, typically the price is more.
http://faq.bloglines.com/ref/Kinko%27s-Prices.html
If you own a personal laser printer, chances are its original makers cartridge would sell between $50-100 each, for ~ 3000 pages; that would be about 3c page, or $30. YMMV depending if you can use remanufactured cartridges or refill original ones.
Indeed, printing can be quite painful on the wallet...especially when you're paying someone else to do it. Good thing Uncle Sam usually keeps a healthy supply of printer ink on benchstock.
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#61 Reply
Posted by
saturation
on 05 Jan, 2012 12:36
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Amen to that! Refilling an original manufacturer brand new cartridge only cost $4 for another 3000 pages, and it works well on the 1st refill, but I don't get it past 3 refills without glitches in the printing mechanism, usually smudges and ink blobs. We've had very bad luck buying re-manufactured cartridges from consolidators, these are 'pros' who buy used cartridges, refill them and sell them at a discount, in the end it costs the same as DIY. I end up extending an original cartridge 3x its intended lifespan, so an $80 one is $80/3 +$4 for toner ~ $31 per 3000 pages from an original cartridge, re-manufactured ones cost about $35-40 each, but my labor
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Indeed, printing can be quite painful on the wallet...especially when you're paying someone else to do it. Good thing Uncle Sam usually keeps a healthy supply of printer ink on benchstock.
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Almost a year since the last update, so I emailed the author. He gracefully (and quickly!) replied:
"Moving along, still expanding. Out sometime late this year.
But you'll want to patch up and keep your 2nd edition, five
good chapters plus lots of other important stuff there, that's
gone from the 3rd edition."
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#63 Reply
Posted by
aluck
on 11 Jan, 2013 02:53
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That makes me think about The Great Chinese Wall history.
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#64 Reply
Posted by
poodyp
on 11 Jan, 2013 03:25
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Reminds me of when I was a kid and wanted some help with my brand new playstation and final fantasy 7, but didn't want to go back and forth from the TV to the computer, and so I printed up a 700 page FAQ to have with me while I played. Thankfully toner and paper were free from my dad's work.
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There has'nt been a update in two month. can you give us some info?
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#66 Reply
Posted by
jmc2000
on 07 Apr, 2013 01:01
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There has'nt been a update in two month. can you give us some info?
jeesh, leave poor Win alone
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#67 Reply
Posted by
MikeK
on 07 Apr, 2013 01:41
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Being the classic it is, printed on acid free paper would help. My book pages are turning yellow.
Acid-free paper and spiral bound. Books like this that will get a lot of use should always be spiral bound!
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#68 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 04 Sep, 2013 23:37
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Hello all,
I just emailed Winfield Hill about the status of the third edition of Art of Electronics and they've finished writing it. They now in typesetting and it should be published by late spring/early summer next year (May 2014).
And it sounds like there will be a second volume to contain all the new material that wouldn't fit in the main work at a future date.
I also posted this and previous emails on G+ (
https://plus.google.com/u/1/115596717128422510188/posts)
Hello Mr. Hill,
I hope everything is going well for you this year. I wanted to write once again to ask about the progress of the third edition of Art of Electronics. When we spoke last year you said you were planning on cutting off writing new material at some point last year if the writing didn't finish soon. Have you finished writing and moved on to editing yet?
Several people have contacted the publisher and have gotten responses to expect the book sometime around May 2014 (so a manuscript has been submitted and everyone is well into editing), but to me that feels like researcher's saying a new technology, like graphene transistors or brain to pc interfaces, should hit the market in the next 5-10 years. A great image, but not likely.
Where do you see the book in the pipeline? I'd like to share your opinion with the community again.
The complete 15-chapter book has gone through copy-
editing and we're doing our review pass now. Then on
to typesetting (editing of our TEX text, figure placement,
etc) and then galleys, etc. So next spring looks good.
They will be an additional five chapter eXtension
H&H AoE "x-chapter" book following in about a year
with new advance materials.
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Why didn't they just make it so it has everything the second edition plus more? The way they did it is like having one phone for text messages and another for phone calls or some other concept equally as stupid.
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#70 Reply
Posted by
joelby
on 05 Sep, 2013 00:30
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Presumably because there were bits of the 2nd edition that are now quite out of date? Having editions for 'core' and 'advance' materials means that you can keep reprinting the core forever, and only need to revise the advance bit as technology changes.
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Presumably because there were bits of the 2nd edition that are now quite out of date? Having editions for 'core' and 'advance' materials means that you can keep reprinting the core forever, and only need to revise the advance bit as technology changes.
"But you'll want to patch up and keep your 2nd edition, five
good chapters plus lots of other important stuff there, that's
gone from the 3rd edition."
If they were good chapters plus lots of other important stuff there, why wouldn't they add that to the third edition in a revised format?
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#72 Reply
Posted by
Fsck
on 05 Sep, 2013 00:44
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I'm guessing they don't like the length of it. ie physical size of the book if it were included.
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I'm guessing they don't like the length of it. ie physical size of the book if it were included.
Well at least they could reference the second edition within the third edition. Such as: "You may find more information about [topic] in this chapter of the second edition." That way, the two books can easily be combined together with said references IMHO.
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#74 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 05 Sep, 2013 01:03
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Well at least they could reference the second edition within the third edition. Such as: "You may find more information about [topic] in this chapter of the second edition." That way, the two books can easily be combined together with said references IMHO.
I wouldn't be surprised if they do just that. At least in the foreword.
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So what extra things do they have in the third edition?
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#76 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 05 Sep, 2013 01:58
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Since the author is advocating keeping 2nd edition around I'd assume that just about everything is new or different.
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#77 Reply
Posted by
ablacon64
on 15 Oct, 2013 22:45
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That would be interesting, all new material complementing the second edition.
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And when is the 3rd edition coming out? If there's no official date set that shows on major sellers or publisher site, then it's mirage, just to keep people going with the current edition.
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#79 Reply
Posted by
Smokey
on 12 Apr, 2014 19:09
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TAoE bump.
Happy Early Mid-2014!
Duke Nukem Forever made it.... TAoE can to!! Keep the hope alive!
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#80 Reply
Posted by
Tris20
on 13 Apr, 2014 11:29
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TAoE bump.
Happy Early Mid-2014!
Duke Nukem Forever made it.... TAoE can to!! Keep the hope alive!
Funny, I had EXACLTY the same thought yesterday but just didn't post it. Mainly because of the similarities between the hype of both and the massive disappointment I'm now anticipating.
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#81 Reply
Posted by
Legion
on 13 Apr, 2014 14:03
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Meh. 2nd edition is fine. It's not like anything significant has changed since the 80s. My TRS-80 is still top of the line!
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#82 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 09 Jul, 2014 20:51
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I've emailed about the status of the book and will send an update when I hear back.
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#83 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 11 Jul, 2014 17:44
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I got a response from Winfield today.
For the last several months we have been going over
the 1400 figures, which were drafted in India. We're
editing them in Adobe Illustrator, and are 75% done.
Then, after a last pass on text edits, we'll be making
the index. This involves thinking of all the alternate
words blokes use to describe the same thing. About
that time CUP will start doing the page layout. Then
we'll have a galley proof to study and approve.
Looking on wikipedia Galley Proofs are limited runs used for proof reading and sometimes advance copies, so that should be the final step before mass publication.
That said it sounds like there's a minimum of months of work remaining, but it does sound like less than six months of work to my, untrained, ears, so I'd expect to hear a real release date in about five or six months or shortly after (since people are horrible at estimates and always underestimate everything).
I'd give a couple more months for reviewing the remaining figures, a few weeks for a last editing pass, and couple of months for the index, then a few weeks, maybe a month or two for proofreading. Then production would start and that would take a minimum of a few weeks to a couple months to build stock.
One article I found on Chronicle of Higher Education described hand building his index (completely after the fact) in a month. I'd expect some of this work to be done already and this to be a much large work, I'd expect two months there.
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I wonder if there will be also a revised student manual to accompany the 3rd Ed. ?
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I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.
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#86 Reply
Posted by
lapm
on 11 Jul, 2014 19:10
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I just digged up my second edition of this book... Still rocks... But i'm so going to buy third one once its published... This book got me throw my engineering electronics stuff when i was in school still..
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#87 Reply
Posted by
MDG
on 11 Jul, 2014 19:45
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This from the Fall 2014 course information document on the Physics 123 home page
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~thayes/phys123/"Texts: None to Buy
We should say that new editions of the texts that we use in this course are due in about a year (and always have been!). So, you may want to shop for a used copy of the big book—then buy the hot new editions in 2015?"
(Physics 123 used to be taught by Paul Horowitz and is apparently now taught by Tom Hayes, who has been a co-instructor for the course since at least the first edition of Art of Electronics and is a co-author on the second edition of the lab manual.)
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#88 Reply
Posted by
nctnico
on 12 Jul, 2014 17:18
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I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.
Important? Only wannabee engineers and managers have the AoE book. There is too little information on any subject to be useful for designing a real circuit. It might be interesting to look for buzz-words on how to tackle a certain problem but this website and Google do that just fine nowadays.
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#89 Reply
Posted by
rolycat
on 13 Jul, 2014 17:26
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I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.
Important? Only wannabee engineers and managers have the AoE book.
Given that most engineers start out as 'wannabees', presumably there is a ceremonial burning of the book when one qualifies?
(Feeling combative since GeoffS locked the entertaining British Wall Socket thread
)
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I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.
Why? It's not like Win is obligated to work on this book at a rate that satisfies anonymous people on the internet. Maybe he enjoys spending time with his family. Maybe he has lots of other work commitments. Maybe the book is just a labor of love for him and he works on it when he has the time and motivation to.
I can't understand why people are bugging Win about this and/or drawing any inferences from the schedule. It will be done when it's done, and if people choose to buy it once it's done - then they can buy it (or not, if they don't want to).
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#91 Reply
Posted by
GK
on 14 Jul, 2014 00:04
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(Feeling combative since GeoffS locked the entertaining British Wall Socket thread )
I didn't even get an opportunity to bring up Gallipoli.
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#92 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 08 Nov, 2014 19:29
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Mr Hill doesn't seem to mind me sending an email once or twice a year, he's never been anything but excited and nice to me.
That said here's the most recent email between us.
Hi Mr. Hill,
I was just thinking it'd be nice to get the new edition for Christmas
and thought I'd send an email to see if that was realistic. Any chance
of seeing this on shelves this year? Or is page layout, indexing and
galley proofing still in process? Or have I complete messed up how
long things take in publishing a book this size?
Tell me about it! Right now we're going through the
book fixing errors. We're still few weeks away from
starting on the indexing, after that comes the page
layout and then the galleys to inspect.
They're telling us it may be on the streets by spring.
This is the first time he's mentioned an actual publish date coming back from the publishers, so that's good news, but he's been very optimistic every time I've talked to him, so I'd expect closer to summer or maybe even the fall date Amazon.ca is guessing at, but we're down to only three items left on the check list: Indexing, Layout and Proofing. So I do think next fall is likely an upper limit on the work left.
That said the last six months have been spent almost exclusively on fixing errors, so I certainly can't be confident in any predictions.
Indexing is a large difficult project, but probably not the size of editing and fixing error in the entire volume, so my guess is probably around 3 months or so.
Layout isn't huge deal normally, but this is a huge project so I'd expect it to take as long as indexing. If the authors aren't doing this themselves then it can be done concurrently with indexing. This article says it takes about a month to layout a normal book.
http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2012/10/why-it-takes-so-long-to-publish-a-book/. So maybe another three months for this tome.
Galley Proofs are the final approval of pages and last minute typo catches, so I'd expect another month or so.
Finally they have to do the actual print run and plan a release. I really hope they just push this through and do it in like a month to get it out.
That puts it at around 5-9 months of additional work left.
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#93 Reply
Posted by
Smokey
on 09 Nov, 2014 03:48
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Hah! Let me know when I should start holding my breath....
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#94 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 09 Nov, 2014 20:31
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One more update I asked about.
Are you doing the layout yourselves or will that be happening
concurrently with indexing?
The layout is a difficult and time-intensive process,
and requires a special knowledge of LaTEX code, so
it's being done by a professional team at CUG. (We
get to look at it in a follow-on approval step.) They
require that the index is finished before they start.
We questioned that (the index doesn't need layout)
for a minute, but then we realized that in re-reading
the book to make the index, we're likely to see more
important changes, so we keep quiet about the policy
So, it looks like it'll be on the longer side of my guess. Next summer or fall seems realistic.
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#95 Reply
Posted by
T3sl4co1l
on 09 Nov, 2014 22:34
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Yikes... I've written a small, paper really, in LaTeX, with index, and it's easier to do it while you're writing... leaving it until the end is
Tim
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#96 Reply
Posted by
MicroHex
on 13 Nov, 2014 01:57
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So, uh, maybe it's just on Amazon Canada, but....
http://www.amazon.ca/dp/0521809266/Yeah, appears to have a listing. If it's real, I do hope the 1980->1989->2015 isn't setting up a trend curve for the 4th edition.
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#97 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 14 Nov, 2014 00:56
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So Winfield tried to edit Wikipedia, but because they won't allow primary source they reverted it. Here it is for your reference.
Winfield here: Please hold off, we're looking at March 2015 (or maybe a bit later). But I'm sure you'll be very pleased with the result. We've massively re-written the book, with all kinds of useful new material, including bench measurements, etc. We're talking someplace between 15 and 20 man-years in this new book. Plus we've created an advanced follow-on book, called the x chapters, but sorry, you'll have to wait a bit for that to come out.
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#98 Reply
Posted by
Smokey
on 14 Nov, 2014 01:21
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So Winfield tried to edit Wikipedia, but because they won't allow primary source they reverted it.
This is just stupid. So if he had written that on his own site, then someone could have edited the wikipedia page to say:
"Quoting Winfield's site................"
Would that have been OK?
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#99 Reply
Posted by
T3sl4co1l
on 14 Nov, 2014 07:03
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Or for that matter, now that it's on this forum, it can be referred to here. As long as it exists somewhere *other* than Wikipedia, that's all they care about.
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#100 Reply
Posted by
lapm
on 14 Nov, 2014 14:29
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I find it troubling to see that such an important book could take so long to be revised.
Becouse its important it takes time to get it right.. Personally i buy it when its ready and as few errors as bossible by humans.
Considering how many pages and content 2nd edittion has im not suprised at all it takes time... Have my 2nd ed. close to my electronics desk for quick reference. Should have it rebinded one of these days, covers are coming loose for all the use i have get out of this book...
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#101 Reply
Posted by
solarmist
on 16 Nov, 2014 03:15
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So Winfield tried to edit Wikipedia, but because they won't allow primary source they reverted it.
This is just stupid. So if he had written that on his own site, then someone could have edited the wikipedia page to say:
"Quoting Winfield's site................"
Would that have been OK?
Yup, probably. That's why I started posting my emails here before I added the info to wikipedia. You have to have a reference for any new information added to an article
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#102 Reply
Posted by
EEMarc
on 19 Nov, 2014 03:03
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I've read my 2nd edition book cover to cover multiple times.
I can't wait to see an updated version. The problem is that electronics have advanced so much over time that it is hard to keep up with. Even the earlier material produced for the third edition is probably becoming obsolete. That does make me worried about the Authors ability to release the book. I've had involvement with some technical books and documents. It is a work of art and royal PITA to get to the level of quality of this book.
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#103 Reply
Posted by
rodpp
on 23 Jan, 2015 05:06
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#104 Reply
Posted by
EEVblog
on 23 Jan, 2015 06:10
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Seems like LadyAda among others have seen a copy.
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#105 Reply
Posted by
lapm
on 23 Jan, 2015 08:28
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Seems like LadyAda among others have seen a copy.
Good God, i need to borrow that time machine...
Its good news that theres rough copies arround...
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#106 Reply
Posted by
rolycat
on 23 Jan, 2015 10:34
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Brits will have to wait another couple of months, although as compensation it appears to be a lot cheaper from the UK - only £46.13 which is currently about $69:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=sr_1_1Seems like LadyAda among others have seen a copy.
Also the legendary Jim Williams, who thinks it's 'simply spectacular'. This is particularly impressive given that he died nearly four years ago.
(I'm sure it's a legitimate quote, and he was speaking about an early draft.)
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#107 Reply
Posted by
EEVblog
on 23 Jan, 2015 10:55
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Also the legendary Jim Williams, who thinks it's 'simply spectacular'. This is particularly impressive given that he died nearly four years ago.
Holy crap, has it been 4 years?
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#108 Reply
Posted by
elgonzo
on 23 Jan, 2015 13:49
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Brits will have to wait another couple of months, although as compensation it appears to be a lot cheaper from the UK - only £46.13 which is currently about $69:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=sr_1_1
Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.
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#109 Reply
Posted by
Macbeth
on 23 Jan, 2015 17:21
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Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.
Well, it's apparently covered by amazons Pre-order Price Guarantee, which means you pay the price agreed even if the final published price is higher. If the final price is lower you only pay the lower price. Also the money isn't taken from your card until despatch day.
Seems like a no brainer to me - I got my order in quick sharp. Free Delivery too.
The extra couple of months wait vs the USA edition is a bit of a downer
I wonder, are the extra two months being used to add all the extra vowels us proper Queens English speakers require?
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#110 Reply
Posted by
elgonzo
on 23 Jan, 2015 17:33
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Holy potato!
The amazon.co.uk offer might be interesting for people in other EU countries too. For example, amazon.de offers the book for 105.36 Euro -- even when considering shipping costs and potential addtional VAT the UK offer is much much better. Fingers crossed that this bargain price is not just a case of mispricing.
Well, it's apparently covered by amazons Pre-order Price Guarantee, which means you pay the price agreed even if the final published price is higher. If the final price is lower you only pay the lower price. Also the money isn't taken from your card until despatch day.
Mispricings are specifically excluded from
Amazon's Pre-order Price Guarantee. If it would be indeed a mispricing the worst that can happen is Amazon cancelling the pre-orders. (The
publisher states an UK price of about GBP 60, so at this time i would not yet rule out that the amazon.co.uk price is wrong - but even if it were, GBP 60 is still a very good price.)
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#111 Reply
Posted by
Macbeth
on 23 Jan, 2015 17:49
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Mispricings are specifically excluded from Amazon's Pre-order Price Guarantee. If it would be indeed a mispricing the worst that can happen is Amazon cancelling the pre-orders. (The publisher states an UK price of about GBP 60, so at this time i would not yet rule out that the amazon.co.uk price is wrong - but even if it were, GBP 60 is still a very good price.)
Yes, but amazon.co.uk quote the RRP at £59.99 - at worst the mis-price is £0.01p compared to Cambridge University Press. Amazon then quote a
23% discount off RRP. This is not a mis-price at all!
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#112 Reply
Posted by
elgonzo
on 24 Jan, 2015 13:15
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Yes, but amazon.co.uk quote the RRP at £59.99 - at worst the mis-price is £0.01p compared to Cambridge University Press. Amazon then quote a 23% discount off RRP. This is not a mis-price at all!
Oops, you are right. Didn't see that.
I was only seeing the price in the center of the screen, my old eyes have difficulties looking somewhere else
Fortunately that means no fingercrossing needed, and i can relax my hands now
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#114 Reply
Posted by
owiecc
on 24 Jan, 2015 17:08
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Ordered it from UK to DK. Even with shipping and Danish VAT i paid £65.
Just to tease you: AoE2 is translated into Polish. The price of the translated book is ca. £16
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#115 Reply
Posted by
elgonzo
on 25 Jan, 2015 10:43
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#116 Reply
Posted by
iz4afl
on 02 Mar, 2015 08:59
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Hi,
I have just got ToC and sample chapter 9 of the Art of Electronics 3rd ed. from Cambridge Univ. Press.
You can request your free chapter 9 copy here:
http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-editionTable of Contents:
ONE: Foundations
TWO: Bipolar Transistors
THREE: Field-Effect Transistors
FOUR: Operational Amplifiers
FIVE: Precision Circuits
SIX: Filters
SEVEN: Oscillators and Timers
EIGHT: Low-Noise Techniques
NINE: Voltage Regulation and Power Conversion
TEN: Digital Logic
ELEVEN: Programmable Logic Devices
TWELVE: Logic Interfacing
THIRTEEN : Digital meets Analog
FOURTEEN: Computers, Controllers, andData Links
FIFTEEN: Microcontrollers
APPENDIX A: Math Review
APPENDIX B: How to Draw Schematic Diagrams
APPENDIX C: Resistor Types
APPENDIX D: Th´evenin’s Theorem
APPENDIX E: LC Butterworth Filters
APPENDIX F: Load Lines
APPENDIX G: The Curve Tracer
APPENDIX H: Transmission Lines and Impedance Matching
APPENDIX I: Television: A Compact Tutorial
APPENDIX J: SPICE Primer
APPENDIX K: “Where Do I Go to Buy Electronic Goodies?”
APPENDIX L: Workbench Instruments and Tools
APPENDIX M: Catalogs, Magazines, Databooks
APPENDIX N: Further Reading and References
APPENDIX O: The Oscilloscope
APPENDIX P: Acronyms and Abbreviations
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#117 Reply
Posted by
Smokey
on 02 Mar, 2015 09:15
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Ahhhh come on and post the download password here. You know you want to! It's probably something like "I<3TAoE3ed" anyway.
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#118 Reply
Posted by
iz4afl
on 02 Mar, 2015 11:23
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you are almost right:
Artofelectronics3
;-)
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#119 Reply
Posted by
max666
on 02 Mar, 2015 16:40
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amazon.de has it pre-order for EUR 66,95 and expected to deliver in May.
I pre-ordered it right now.
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#120 Reply
Posted by
Fraser
on 09 Apr, 2015 17:21
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Ordered a good condition used hardcover copy of AoE 2 (£19) and a new copy of AoE 3 (£53) today. Plenty of good reading material there
I bought the AoE 2 because of the comments of the author regarding material that had to be removed. I would always have wondered what I was missing
Aurora
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#121 Reply
Posted by
jbravo
on 24 Jul, 2016 15:26
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Hello, everyone.
I'm sure everyone has been excitely waiting the end of the year for news of the third edition (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3473.0) So, I've taken it upon myself to ask for an update and surprise I got a response christmas morning. So, here's a christmas present for the electronics community
I asked "I was wondering if there's an update to when you think the 3rd edition might be out? "
And the response I got was as follows:
We're getting closer. For example, we broke the
old 80-page precision and low-noise Chapter 7 into
two, both greatly-expanded with massive cool stuff.
We submitted Chapter 5, Precision Circuits, last
summer, and it was 135 pages long. This week
we're finishing Chapter 8, Low-Noise Techniques,
and we expect it to be about 130 pages. So that's
about 3x more great material, on just those two
topics! We expect y'all will love it.
In January we'll submit chapter 9, Power Design -
it's almost done now, and then we'll have submitted
15 chapters, leaving five more "x" chapters to go.
I think I mentioned the x chapters, with their extra,
more-advanced material, so we certainly don't want
to short-change them! Anyway, three of those are
more than half done, and we hope to have submitted
everything by next summer.
That means the book should be out by late 2012 or
early 2013.
--
- Win
Winfield Hill
Rowland Institute at Harvard
100 Edwin Land Blvd
Cambridge, MA 02142
Happy Christmas everyone!
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#122 Reply
Posted by
jbravo
on 24 Jul, 2016 15:29
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I have purchased the book and is too heavy to read it on the go. Is there any special offer for buying the Kindle version or would I have to pay full price, since I want to have it in the top formats.
Thanks