And all the specifications are in images located on their site, so they can change them at any moment. Although there is nothing to change, now they are just cheap Chinese watches without any modifications at all.
So just stop funding IGG projects, and limit yourself to Kickstarter projects, which seem to have a better system and less obviously fraudulent projects. The lack of a flexible funding being a major difference. Too bad for the project creators outside the US/UK, but I feel that IGG has tolerated too much of this crap to earn any more of our business.
KS is by no means perfect and have had their fair share of fraudsters. But at least they're trying. For example the policy change that prohibited rendered products in intro movies.
Can't say the same about IGG. It seems like a new dodgy IGG project is almost a weekly occurrence. Flexible funding and deletion of comments (does KS allow this?) invite fraud in my opinion. Of the dodgy projects discussed on this forum, eg: this watch, thought phone, Keef's project, the thermal camera, the far majority, if not all of them, came from IGG.
I wonder what happens to the 22,000GBP that was taken in? I wonder if that money was dispensed yet?
I wonder what happens to the 22,000GBP that was taken in? I wonder if that money was dispensed yet?
I think with Flex Funding - the funds goes straight to the project originator on IGG. I have backed a small project with Flex Funding - and money left from paypal straight to funders paypal - minus a fee to IGG.
So this guy has shystered $35,000USD on this project, openly admits he's not going to be delivering anything, and also has another project ongoing with the same terms.
And IGG allows this.
Insanity.
So this guy has shystered $35,000USD on this project, openly admits he's not going to be delivering anything, and also has another project ongoing with the same terms.
And IGG allows this.
Insanity.
Fark
BTW, what happened to the project page, the original link does not work.
Googling Ostro watch only brings up this forum.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/full-android-watch/msg270367/#msg270367
IGG did the right thing. But I HOPE they clawed back the $$$ before leaving all those backers with no info, no explanation, no project page, no ability to comment.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/full-android-watch/msg270367/#msg270367
IGG did the right thing. But I HOPE they clawed back the $$$ before leaving all those backers with no info, no explanation, no project page, no ability to comment.
Just saw that.
So indiegogo deliberately just delete the page and all comments and history off the internet?
The right thing to do? No way, that's just crazy.
The right thing to do would be to keep the page in place but mark it with the reason why it has been shut down, and keep people posted on the status. e.g. the money has/has not been recovered etc.
By deleting campaigns indiegogo are potentially leaving themselves open to the charge of deliberate coverup of fraud.
Yep, I agree - I think they did the right thing in shutting it down, but deleting it leaves everyone who is out real money wondering what happened and why. I wonder what IGG says to backers who contact them to ask what's up.
That's what I was getting at before - if they tell them "we pulled it.. now it's between you and the project creator", it almost leaves backers in a worse spot, because they have no forum to band together and share info, nor do they have an official place for communication from the creator.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/full-android-watch/msg270367/#msg270367
IGG did the right thing. But I HOPE they clawed back the $$$ before leaving all those backers with no info, no explanation, no project page, no ability to comment.
Just saw that.
So indiegogo deliberately just delete the page and all comments and history off the internet?
The right thing to do? No way, that's just crazy.
The right thing to do would be to keep the page in place but mark it with the reason why it has been shut down, and keep people posted on the status. e.g. the money has/has not been recovered etc.
By deleting campaigns indiegogo are potentially leaving themselves open to the charge of deliberate coverup of fraud.
On the plus side, if EEVBlog comes up when you search Orsto, maybe some of the backers will find their way here!
Hi,
That is not a problem, from our end.
But indiegogo in their wisdom have temporarily shut our account down.
We have no way of contacting anyone or telling anyone what is going on as we cannot even access the contributor details.
They have done this without as much as a phone call or email to us, on the strength of a couple of disgruntled people saying that they were not happy for some reason.
Indiegogo must be the most unprofessional organisation we have had to deal with.
Contributors, understandably will be climbing the walls.
We will keep you posted.
Orsto Customer Service