I'd have thought perhaps a better way to do this is for the monitor to pretend to be a hub, that way you avoid any loading issues.
That is the last thing you want from an USB analyzer because a hub is an active device at protocol level also. So it screws with timings and with the enumeration process. That is not a problem with a perfect device and a perfect host running flawless drivers, but that is not what we need USB analyzers for
For example Last time I had to dive into low-level USB debugging, the problem appeared when the device was connected to a hub, went away when connected directly to host...
And why should they return the money?
Read the kickstarter terms - if you back something on kickstarter - YOU risk losing your money without getting anything in return. That is the clear and stated terms.
Less than 1 in 10 projects founded by professional investors actually turn into profitable companies. But it does seem like more than 1 in 10 projects in kickstarter turns something out to their "investors"
And why should they return the money?
Because your name become shit, and maybe just because it's the right thing to do?QuoteRead the kickstarter terms - if you back something on kickstarter - YOU risk losing your money without getting anything in return. That is the clear and stated terms.
There is more to life, projects, promises and the social condition than terms and condition on some stupid website you happen to use.QuoteLess than 1 in 10 projects founded by professional investors actually turn into profitable companies. But it does seem like more than 1 in 10 projects in kickstarter turns something out to their "investors"
It's not really the same game. Although a lot of people will pretend it is to explain away failures and a lack of morals.
But once you put your money into IGG or Kickstarter projects - expect ZERO - and be pleasantly surprised IF and WHEN you get your PERK. You do not have the right to anything more. The PERK is not a promise - it is a "If we succeed you might get XXX as an appreciation for your donation" - but many people takes it as a "product purchase" which it is NOT. It is a pure donation.
It's ok, if you were honest from the beginning, saying this is a hobby project, we have no clue about FPGA high speed hardware design and no working prototypes, and we can't promise that we can do it. But if you lied, you have to admit it and at least pay back the money.
Kickstarter is basically a site that deals with 3 words : fool , easily , parted . You provide the money.
Kickstarter is basically a site that deals with 3 words : fool , easily , parted . You provide the money.
So you agree with us that projects that fail like this ones are basically SCAMS and person running them is a scammer and a fraudster (unless he returns money)
Even if they could build a USB full-speed analyzer, what's the point? How many people are designing/hacking USB full-speed equipment these days? You should be able to probe USB full-speed with a decent logic analyzer with USB decoding. USB 2 high-speed is the bare minimum to be useful in my opinion.
Dave, I don't get why you feel that returning the remaining money is the only option now.
If bushing can manufacture the design (a USB 2.0 analyzer) with the remaining funds and ship it out to backers with the remaining funds, then what's the harm done?
I don't see how, at this stage, returning the available funds (meaning backers get back x% of what they paid and get nothing) is better than shipping them working analyzers (meaning backers get what they paid for, albeit much later than expected).
Anyway - I would like to see future "crowd funding" systems where money could be handed over in tranches based on partial goals met.
Anyway - I would like to see future "crowd funding" systems where money could be handed over in tranches based on partial goals met.
That would be great, but then completely puts the onus on crowd funding site to vet and "approve" that task is done. That is time consuming and open them up to liability.
Of course, you could crowd source that part too. Have a "thumbs up" from users that the creator has reached the goal. Get say 90% thumbs up and the next round of funding is charged.
IF???
So far he has not demonstrated that he can't delivery anything after how many years?
Now you think he can deliver starting from scratch again? Come on, get real.
Sure, but the kicker is that it's highly unlikely given his past performance (or lack of it) that he will deliver anything at all.
A working analyser won't just magically appear. It requires a lot of time, effort, and expertise. He probably has the expertise to get it done, but he has clearly shown he doesn't not have the ability (for whatever reason) to put in the effort.
Yes, it's two freaking years and a half too late, but you can't deny that progress is actually being made at a reasonable pace now, no?
how long till we see the user interface like the CATC has ? With the nice packet drawings, decoding and all the other stuff.
(By the way, migen is awesome. If you know Python and you design RTL logic, you should try it.)
(By the way, migen is awesome. If you know Python and you design RTL logic, you should try it.)
Well, I tried it. Tried to find an excuse to use it that is. Read the tutorial + user guide, but why would you want to use this, even if you do like auto-generated verilog?
I am all for new tools in the toolbox, but I didn't get an a-hah! moment when reading the docs... So maybe you spotted a nice usecase that I missed?
I also like Python's class model better than Verilog's module model