... and you are in a rush to modify your pcb.
So you start your EDA and then this happens...
The unfortunate reality of being at the mercy of cloud service providers…
The unfortunate reality of being at the mercy of cloud service providers…
In the 60s, 70s and early 80s, most computing was done "in the cloud"[1]. The principal reason people in companies jumped on PCs was because they allowed individuals to gain control over their own data; they were no longer held hostage by their data being in silos owned by other companies.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".
[1] called "timesharing bureaux".
... and you are in a rush to modify your pcb.
So you start your EDA and then this happens...
Erf... This is exactly why I won't do cloud-based (aka "thin client", aka "dumb terminal accessing a mainframe") software, even if the value proposition is otherwise compelling. Thanks for posting this.
You are on Cloud 9. Kick off your shoes, sit back, and relax...
In the 60s, 70s and early 80s, most computing was done "in the cloud"[1].
Yes, I was there at the time.
Funny how things have gone full circle...
Yeah I don't do cloud, other than as a backup solution for files I want to access elsewhere. I flat out refuse to rent software, I won't support that business model, not gonna happen.
Yeah I don't do cloud, other than as a backup solution for files I want to access elsewhere. I flat out refuse to rent software, I won't support that business model, not gonna happen.
Resistance is futal. Just wait till they patent your DNA string and start charging your royalties for using their design lolol0
Yeah I don't do cloud, other than as a backup solution for files I want to access elsewhere. I flat out refuse to rent software, I won't support that business model, not gonna happen.
Resistance is futile.
It is the business model that most companies will move to.
It provides clearer visibility of consistent revenue.
Not saying I like it any more than you… Just reality unfortunately.
Yeah I don't do cloud, other than as a backup solution for files I want to access elsewhere. I flat out refuse to rent software, I won't support that business model, not gonna happen.
Resistance is futile.
It is the business model that most companies will move to.
It provides clearer visibility of consistent revenue.
Not saying I like it any more than you… Just reality unfortunately.
And better security from hacking of their products.
The Cloud = Marketing BS for someone else computer that you have no control over.
Losing control the way the OP has is the wake-up call that control > cheaper.
Yeah I don't do cloud, other than as a backup solution for files I want to access elsewhere. I flat out refuse to rent software, I won't support that business model, not gonna happen.
Resistance is futile.
It is the business model that most companies will move to.
It provides clearer visibility of consistent revenue.
Not saying I like it any more than you… Just reality unfortunately.
I don't think resistance is futile. While companies focus less on innovation (which becomes less necessary as products mature) it gives the open source alternatives more time to catch up. Today I can do far more of my work using free/open source software than I could a decade ago and that is only going to continue. Why would I rent software when I can get something for free that does everything I need it to do?
Software rental is only viable if people bend over and take it.
In the 60s, 70s and early 80s, most computing was done "in the cloud"[1]. The principal reason people in companies jumped on PCs was because they allowed individuals to gain control over their own data; they were no longer held hostage by their data being in silos owned by other companies.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".
[1] called "timesharing bureaux".
Indeed. I have been in the computer business more than 30 years now. Like the pendulum in fashion where skirt hems rise and fall, so computing has the pendulum that swings back and forth between thin client and thick client. The cloud is merely the most recent version of thin client. When customers realize they want to control their own computers and data, the pendulum will swing back to thick client.
The most compelling reason I have heard for using the cloud boils down to the idea that you can cut down your capital budget and allocate more to your operations budget. It's all accounting shenanigans. Nothing will change the cloud faster than a change in tax law...
There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer.
+1 for -Rot in hell before I go cloud AND rent software. It's bad enough that my CAD program MUST connect to their license server before use - there's been a couple incidents when
their server was down, and I was up shlt creek without a paddle. When I complained on the forums, I was removed from them :-) .. and now I get NO replies from support emails.
So, if one day they decide to close it down, my canoe is suddenly full of holes ! Dongles are even stoopider.
Remember a few years ago when MS Money locked people out of their accounts? Or way back when Hotmail tried to convert from Unix to Windows?
Several co-workers last year had Apple move their files to icloud.
If everyone donated even a 10th of what they would pay for software licensing to open source projects we'd all come out way ahead.
Here's what's ultimately going to happen to EAGLE users...
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/5t3k8k/just_for_a_laugh_enjoy_this_78_page_document/
Doesn't look too complicated, many steps seems to be optional and for companies with employees, and an IT department which manages the $$$k AutoCAD etc. packages and users.
I'm still happy with my Eagle 6, but I won't upgrade to the subscription version. I used Eagle for 20 years now, starting with the DOS version, but in the last weeks I tried KiCad and it has some quirks, but looks usable. Will try it for new projects. And another good thing is that if I don't like a quirk, now I can fix it myself (being mostly a programmer).
I am just getting back into electronics after being out for almost a decade. I was going to buy Eagle (what would have been their $1100 layout and schematic license), but no longer. Autodesk and subscription based licensing; two major negatives for me, especially after previously having to deal with them for Maya and Combustion in the past (3d and video compositing).
It is looking like DipTrace or Circuitstudio are the way for me to go; leaning towards DipTrace.
Doesn't look too complicated, many steps seems to be optional and for companies with employees, and an IT department which manages the $$$k AutoCAD etc. packages and users.
Read the comments in the Reddit thread. Those
are professional sysadmins.
"Doesn't look too complicated." That's a good one.
I'm still happy with my Eagle 6, but I won't upgrade to the subscription version. I used Eagle for 20 years now, starting with the DOS version, but in the last weeks I tried KiCad and it has some quirks, but looks usable. Will try it for new projects. And another good thing is that if I don't like a quirk, now I can fix it myself (being mostly a programmer).
Eagle has quirks too, you just don't notice them anymore after using it for 20 years. You get the same way after using KiCad for a while.
I tried out every EDA I could get my hands on about 8-9 years ago and came to the conclusion that they all suck, but once you get past the very limited hobbyist oriented products they will pretty much all do the job when you figure out how to work with them.
Hello Karel,
The solution to that particular error is to log out of your version 8.0.0 and then start 8.0.1. That's what worked for another user and I think it will work for you.
Please let me know if it doesn't.
Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
The solution to that particular error is to log out of your version 8.0.0 and then start 8.0.1. That's what worked for another user and I think it will work for you.
This sounds like you are forced to accept the update to a new version to continue working, something you said would not be required in that (overly long/overly bitter) thread on Autodesk taking over EAGLE.
So, please clarify what is going on here.
Reliability is ...
But is the issue with eagle or windows