When I first used EAGLE, I was surprised how cumbersome and awkward it was to use. It's nice to see Autodesk bought it so they can finally drive the last nail into its coffin.
When you find a CAD program that's elegant and intuitive from the very first use, let me know.
One thing you could say about EAGLE is that it was a rock-solid implementation that rarely crashed. Looks like Autodesk has added enough artificial points of failure to remedy that particular condition.
When you find a CAD program that's elegant and intuitive from the very first use, let me know.
When you find a CAD program that's elegant and intuitive from the very first use, let me know.Here you go.
There is no profit for them to fix the Linux version. All Eagle Linux users already switched to KiCAD
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Never say from these waters I will not drink. I haven't heard anyone say they have actually tried the latest 8.1.1 here. You may discover that it's not what you thought it was. EAGLE's file format is XML so you are never truly locked in as can be seen by all of the converters available in other tools. You really have nothing to lose by trying it and then forming an informed opinion.
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. I think there is large Linux market that is a unique opportunity for us to capitalize on, since no other commercial tool natively supports linux(keyword: commercial, KiCAD and GEDA are not commercial entities).
Do you really think we can just move our company to use Kicad??
And better security from hacking of their products.
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using the same provider for your production and DR does not remove common mode failure ... Never forget that the internet does not have an SLA.
EAGLE feature wise is far more powerful than it's ever been and all this has happened in less than a year.
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Never say from these waters I will not drink. I haven't heard anyone say they have actually tried the latest 8.1.1 here. You may discover that it's not what you thought it was. EAGLE's file format is XML so you are never truly locked in as can be seen by all of the converters available in other tools. You really have nothing to lose by trying it and then forming an informed opinion.
...Suppose you had a v7.7 user that signed up for autodesk eagle for a year (or whatever) and proceeded in earnest to give v8.1.1 a chance.
They work with it for a year and decide it's not worth the licensing hassle, or cost for added features, or perhaps some forced upgrade along the way introduces instability with their platform or graphics card. Whatever the reason, they don't want to use the new version anymore.
Over the course of the year they have been saving their work in the native XML format. It's unavoidable that the format of the XML files will be continuously enhanced by autodesk to support saving of files that were produced using the new features.
What guarantees can autodesk make that a user can drop back to 7.7 and not lose a year of work because the XML files are no longer backwards compatible? Sure the new features won't work, but what survives in a .BRD/.SCH file in a downgrade from 8.1.1 to 7.7? And I mean specifically.
I'm interested in the new modularity feature, but not at the cost of a lock in. I'm not seeing your "nothing to lose" scenario. Please explain how it could work with no risk.
Regarding "why not just try Eagle 8" there are two reasons:
- It appears to be 99.9% similar to Eagle 7, plus an internet-tied login wall. No compelling reason or tasty new features, I am already familiar with Eagle and there is nothing new to try.
- The Autodesk license still says I will lose access to my Eagle 7 license if I upgrade to Eagle 8, in much the same way that I no longer have an Eagle 5 license after upgrading to Eagle 7.
I realize you have said differently on the forums, but the legal document still says otherwise.
EAGLE feature wise is far more powerful than it's ever been and all this has happened in less than a year.IIRC, you released V7 back in 2014. So, are you saying that CadSoft fell asleep with the advent of V7 and did absolutely nothing for a next major release? Everything new is Autodesk? Not so easy to believe for me.
Hi Karel,
I understand that you are upset, you have made that very clear.
However, I disagree that Autodesk has mistreated you in anyway. Technically, you haven't lost anything. You still have the V7.7 license you originally paid for and no one will be taking that away from you. The subscription change only applies to Autodesk EAGLE, so you still have exactly what you paid for.
Autodesk does care about it's customers to do othewise just doesn't make business sense.
The improvements in EAGLE are a testament to that, the fact that I'm here replying is also testament to that. EAGLE feature wise is far more powerful than it's ever been and all this has happened in less than a year. I know you've been copying issues from the Autodesk forum and posting them here, however you haven't been following up on the resolution of those issues. When Autodesk EAGLE first released it's stability wasn't what users were used to with V7 and prior. On the flip side, there wasn't as much change in EAGLE's codebase prior to Autodesk either so stability was easier to preserve. With that said many of the linux issues have or are being ironed out and every release is better than the last in terms of stability(I run a Linux Mint 18 box with MATE 1.14.2 desktop here). I think there is large Linux market that is a unique opportunity for us to capitalize on, since no other commercial tool natively supports linux(keyword: commercial, KiCAD and GEDA are not commercial entities).
Never say from these waters I will not drink. I haven't heard anyone say they have actually tried the latest 8.1.1 here. You may discover that it's not what you thought it was. EAGLE's file format is XML so you are never truly locked in as can be seen by all of the converters available in other tools. You really have nothing to lose by trying it and then forming an informed opinion.
Just my 2 cents, if they are even worth that much. If you try it and run into any problems I'm here to help.
Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia