And again, the display size and aspect ratio excluding the notch is normal, so what they did was to offload the menu bar onto the area around the camera, creating the notch. The alternative is to have no screen there at all, so the notch is actually giving you more screen space, not less.
Laptop lids need a little bezel, it's not like the new Macbook Pro has mobile phone sized bezels, a small webcam fits in there comfortably. I'm sure if you want to show your zoom partners every pore on your face the Apple cam is vastly superior ... but I don't really care. It solves nothing of value for me. Face Id at least would be somewhat useful, maybe some engineering schedules didn't line up and they just couldn't get it to fit in time and this was the result.
Laptop lids need a little bezel
… it's not like the new Macbook Pro has mobile phone sized bezels, a small webcam fits in there comfortably. I'm sure if you want to show your zoom partners every pore on your face the Apple cam is vastly superior ...
I wonder if it's the IR projection which stands in the way of further miniaturization for Face ID, I don't see why a ToF camera would need to be any larger than a webcam. Of course Microsoft snapped up most of the ToF camera patents a little before Apple realized they needed it.
Having no screen there at all would be far preferable to me. I know a lot of people have this attitude of "It doesn't bother me at all so it therefor is a non-issue and stupid to complain about!" but I would be most of those people have encountered something else in their life that bothers them greatly which others would consider a non-issue. Whatever the case it doesn't matter, a notch, hole, or any other blemish in the continuous area of a screen is an absolute deal breaker for me. I will not buy a device that has a cluster of bad pixels, and I will not buy a device that has a deliberate cluster of missing pixels, period. I will not put up with this nonsense fad and I most certainly will not support it with my wallet, this is not negotiable.
Having no screen there at all would be far preferable to me. I know a lot of people have this attitude of "It doesn't bother me at all so it therefor is a non-issue and stupid to complain about!" but I would be most of those people have encountered something else in their life that bothers them greatly which others would consider a non-issue. Whatever the case it doesn't matter, a notch, hole, or any other blemish in the continuous area of a screen is an absolute deal breaker for me. I will not buy a device that has a cluster of bad pixels, and I will not buy a device that has a deliberate cluster of missing pixels, period. I will not put up with this nonsense fad and I most certainly will not support it with my wallet, this is not negotiable.Since you can disable display area next to the notch (open an app’s Get Info panel and there’s a checkbox named “Scale to fit below built-in camera”; having any app with that option set running causes the screen to shrink just enough to schooch out of the way of the notch), it really is a non-issue for those who dislike it.
And again, the display size and aspect ratio excluding the notch is normal, so what they did was to offload the menu bar onto the area around the camera, creating the notch. The alternative is to have no screen there at all, so the notch is actually giving you more screen space, not less.
Having no screen there at all would be far preferable to me. I know a lot of people have this attitude of "It doesn't bother me at all so it therefor is a non-issue and stupid to complain about!" but I would be most of those people have encountered something else in their life that bothers them greatly which others would consider a non-issue. Whatever the case it doesn't matter, a notch, hole, or any other blemish in the continuous area of a screen is an absolute deal breaker for me. I will not buy a device that has a cluster of bad pixels, and I will not buy a device that has a deliberate cluster of missing pixels, period. I will not put up with this nonsense fad and I most certainly will not support it with my wallet, this is not negotiable.
This would be an option for me as well. This article mentions you need to do this for every application software individually - I wonder if every update would reset this setting, but that would be somewhat uncontrollable by Apple (I would have preferred a system-wide setting, though).
Also, the same article mentions that Apple also mentions in the support document that this scaling feature will disappear once developers update their apps to deal with the notch correctly. - so it wouldn't be a permanent solution for the "notch annoyed"...
Yeah. I for one don't care about having a webcam embedded in the display anyway, so I would rather have none and no notch. Other, smaller sensors such as light sensors can be put outside of the display area.
Is there any laptop out there without an embedded webcam?
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Any breed of laptop (or tablet) is a piece of junk, afa serious work is concerned, esp the 16" monitor and keyboard are so 80's it only meant for kids or newcomers enthusiasts, unless you have a very good reason for your work that a pc or workstation inherently incapable of doing.. a much capable and powerful pc/used workstation can be had for 1/10 to 1/20x the cost of topline macbook.. i'd rather buy a kawasaki ninja then i can do much more such as clubbing..
Good for you.. i get things done on a $500 machine..with no webcam ever..
How to get things done nowadays
https://youtu.be/hQ4tmH7V7dQ
In my day to day, I use Altium, and it runs beautifully on my $1000 HP laptop. At home, I connect some bigger displays to it.
Good for you.. i get things done on a $500 machine..with no webcam ever..
How to get things done nowadays
https://youtu.be/hQ4tmH7V7dQ
Yeah. I for one don't care about having a webcam embedded in the display anyway, so I would rather have none and no notch. Other, smaller sensors such as light sensors can be put outside of the display area.but you miss one most important thing.. being trendy and modern..Is there any laptop out there without an embedded webcam?for webcam 'not on monitor stupidity', there are plenty of options from not the macbook and not the m$. if you really mean no builtin webcam at all, then its difficult. Hence thats why my general consensus still applies that...
Any breed of laptop (or tablet) is a piece of junk, afa serious work is concerned, esp the 16" monitor and keyboard are so 80's it only meant for kids or newcomers enthusiasts, unless you have a very good reason for your work that a pc or workstation inherently incapable of doing.. a much capable and powerful pc/used workstation can be had for 1/10 to 1/20x the cost of topline macbook.. i'd rather buy a kawasaki ninja then i can do much more such as clubbing..
Why win10/11 thread wanders to laptop discussion? Esp the webcam on lcd abomination? They should be left piling up in dark corner of the gollum world.
In my day to day, I use Altium, and it runs beautifully on my $1000 HP laptop. At home, I connect some bigger displays to it.i know what you meant and also know how clumsy it is.. in the end, whats most usefull if anything in that tiny piece is the integrated board under the keyboard, but then, like the rest, is crippled in term of upgradability...
Statistically speaking, the vast majority of computers never get any hardware upgrades whatsoever over their lifetimes. While we techies may think of upgrading as an essential thing, most people see a computer as a magic box and simply replace it once it no longer serves their needs. As such, it’s perfectly reasonable for the vast majority of computer models to not bother with upgradability, especially if giving up the upgradability allows for optimizations like reduced cost, thickness and weight, or improved performance (like Apple is getting by building RAM directly into the SoC).
Can confirm. I haven't seen anything upgraded in any business for 15 years other than RAM and CPUs in servers
Just have both worlds. A laptop that’s as powerful as a workstation and turns into an desktop. That is not that possible on the PC side of things unfortunately.
If I bought a Kawasaki Ninja I’d not live long enough to do any work.
Statistically speaking, the vast majority of computers never get any hardware upgrades whatsoever over their lifetimes. While we techies may think of upgrading as an essential thing, most people see a computer as a magic box and simply replace it once it no longer serves their needs. As such, it’s perfectly reasonable for the vast majority of computer models to not bother with upgradability, especially if giving up the upgradability allows for optimizations like reduced cost, thickness and weight, or improved performance (like Apple is getting by building RAM directly into the SoC).thats why i said for kids and newcomers is ok, and if you dont think to upgrade your skillset (more serious and larger softwares) in foreseeable future during the machine's lifetime.
if they have the money, they can go for mac brand from the start. i cant name a single techies in my place that will touch a mac with 10' barge pole though. due to cost, most people will buy not a mac anyway and maxed out their hw later by going to itshop or if they have family who knows how when their os/sw got bloated. good luck doing that on a mac.
Can confirm. I haven't seen anything upgraded in any business for 15 years other than RAM and CPUs in serversbecause for business, i havent heard the boss asked for upgrade, they just buy entirely new sets within 5-10 years time, most of the retired sets still have a good life in them and thats what we B40 grade will usually keep an ear to, i have one here dell brand that i got for free few years ago and i maxed out recently for kids usage (after they managed to render my install to an unbootable state), about 13yrs of hw age... if its an old mac, the rubbish is its rightful place (no hope for upgrade). for normal (esp techies) people, esp storage tech is rapidly changing, you can mark the transition between HDD -> SSD -> NVMe and recently 1TB -> 4TB HDD/SSD upgrade, i bet its within less than a 5 years time for each tech to reach the market.
another aspect is customization option during purchase, with normal PC, the range is basically limitless. dont have the know how? just ask your itshop to do it for you, just name your budget, what games you are going to play what engineering SWs will be in, how many hundreds GB of RAM or TBs of storage you want and you will be all set. you can even ask them to beat this brand or that brand at a fraction of price... 10 years later there is a new hardcore game/simulation that requires a new card, no worries, buy the new card and snap it in the PCIex slot of the old PC, mac? just buy the new book pro of that time i guess and you can put your old mac to a good rest. ymmv.
The days when software was always teetering on the brink of not running are long over. Most computers today far, far exceed the minimum requirements (or even recommended requirements) for most software ...
As for comparing a desktop PC to a Mac laptop: very few PC laptops have upgradeable graphics cards. Laptops, regardless of platform, tend to have highly customized motherboards, and while the Mac has embraced fully-integrated, completely non-customizable/upgradeable motherboards, the PC world is going the same direction, just a few years later (as always...)