can your dmm give the frequency?
that should tell if it's rectified because the frequency would be line*2It's almost certainly directly from the transformer as most any other decent station is, so it'd be the same as mains. 60Hz in NA, 50Hz in your neck of the woods (and most of the planet in fact).
Or is everyone going to continue to think Hakko like some fly-by-night, half-baked clone company that lies their butts off about the specs as they're only in it for a quick cash dash and vanish shortly thereafter?
Seriously. If you believe Pace, Weller, and JBC's specs, then there's absolutely zero reason to doubt Hakko's. They've been around for decades, and are a go-to manufacturer for hand soldering/rework equipment.
I went back and checked with my Aneng and it is 60Hz measured at the transformer. Trying to do additional measurements at the connector solder points, I apparently touched something I shouldn't have and am getting a C-E, soldering iron error. So far no luck on a schematic and I am no good at reverse engineering. The search continues. Thankfully, not my only soldering station.
I went back and checked with my Aneng and it is 60Hz measured at the transformer. Trying to do additional measurements at the connector solder points, I apparently touched something I shouldn't have and am getting a C-E, soldering iron error. So far no luck on a schematic and I am no good at reverse engineering. The search continues. Thankfully, not my only soldering station.Oh crap.
Have you tried plugging the iron back in to see if the error goes away (simple enough it's worth a shot IMHO )?
You may have to contact Hakko and see if they'll give you a schematic (Weller did that for me when I requested it).
It's almost certainly directly from the transformer as most any other decent station is, so it'd be the same as mains. 60Hz in NA, 50Hz in your neck of the woods (and most of the planet in fact).
Or is everyone going to continue to think Hakko like some fly-by-night, half-baked clone company that lies their butts off about the specs as they're only in it for a quick cash dash and vanish shortly thereafter?
Seriously. If you believe Pace, Weller, and JBC's specs, then there's absolutely zero reason to doubt Hakko's. They've been around for decades, and are a go-to manufacturer for hand soldering/rework equipment.
... Trying to do additional measurements at the connector solder points, I apparently touched something I shouldn't have and am getting a C-E, soldering iron error. So far no luck on a schematic and I am no good at reverse engineering. The search continues. Thankfully, not my only soldering station.
I have had Hakko equipment since 2006, starting with a 936. Certainly not a fly by night company. They have to be doing something right. They are the most copied/faked/cloned soldering stations around.
I tried that and tried different tips also. I will contact Hakko and see what they will do for me. Also have line on 2 power supplies and a wand, working for a good price from a seller I have dealt with before.
I tried that and tried different tips also. I will contact Hakko and see what they will do for me.
My only doubt here it's that exist one patent from Hakko that apparently apply to FX-951 (by date, that patent not sayd 951) that claims that the control over cartridge would be AC rectified.
But what about if Hakko did detected damages in the T12 cartridge because full AC affected the TC (for changes in polarity) and uses rectified AC? Remember that T12 has the TC in series with the heater...[snip].
Because of that I ask if somebody can see waveform in oscilloscope for confirm waveform, nothing more, I not say that Hakko lie, I say that I not know which waveform uses Hakko.
When I bought my first Hakko station here, JBC doesn't exists (in Argentina) and Pace was so expensive that was miles ahead of my budget (15-20 times expensive that Hakko!).
If for a well based motive I need to switch to JBC or Pace ok, I haven't problem, but Hakko is my first choice.
Do you have a link to the patent info?
Unless it's portable for field use, there's no reason to use DC. So this ^ doesn't make any sense to me.
It's not a problem. JBC uses the same technique (heater coil is the thermocouple; it's cut and the two pieces are bonded together with a dissimilar metal to create the TC), and they're using AC as well.
I suspect it checks the TC at the zero crossing point, then applies power if needed. JBC does it this way, and it's an elegant solution IMHO.
How expensive is the new Pace ADS200 to your door?
It's much less expensive than their other stations, their tips are excellent, and priced similarly to the T12/T15 series from Hakko.
The iron is comfortable to use per owners, nor does it get hot despite being made from aluminum.
Performance wise, it will beat the FX-951 as it has a higher output (120W instead of just 70W for the FX-951). There's tips that can use that power as well that just aren't available for the Hakko. At least in the US, it's very similarly priced to the FX-951 so is a better choice at this point in time.
So I'd recommend shifting your sights to the Pace instead (seem to recall someone else made this recommendation as well).
I'm curious. If you have a genuine Hakko FX950/51, have you noticed if the T12 is powered by AC/TRIAC or from DC/FET?
I agree, I think that it's no problem with full AC, but Shock see the waveform of his PACE and see rectified AC....Why? In the patent I see rectified AC, that bother me... WHY?? Before reading the patent I would have bet that they used AC!
Local Pace dealer not have ADS200, but if I buy in USA and import to my country it's approx the same price that Hakko.
FM-2032 it's ideal but not offer some point shapes that I need, but it's a point favor to Hakko that the same station it's compatible with two different systems. I don't know it's something similar happens with Pace or JBC but I think that they resolved it too.
Yes, I suppose that PACE or JBC it's a better election because they have more power. I think the defects that Dave set in his video were corrected because it seemed like a software problem and not quality problem. Actually I not need more power than delivered from my 888 but it's interesting knows that it exist if would be necessary.
This is the only point that make me doubtet to continues with hakko, but, as I wrote in the first post, in favor to Hakko exist zillions of clons/counterfeits/compatible handles for nothing more than few dollars that permit me to use one of them with original cartridges and in the future buy the real 951 when economy will goes better. Even crappy T12 clones would be usefull to test a DIY driver (avoiding burn an original tip) and leave them aside until they are needed to melt plastic or engrave wood for a kid's school craft where one does never use an original tip :-).
With Pace or JBC I need to buy the original one or make one DIY and I think that clone tips are inexistents.
Then that's how they've increased the mains frequency in order to shorten the sense & heat cycle. It would certainly allow for faster response and closer temp regulation.
I'd go with the Pace if it were me, even if you have to import it yourself.
Assuming you can of course, as although TEquipment will sell abroad, I recall a recent post they don't ship everywhere in South America due to too many lost packages in the nation mentioned (just can't recall which one, and there may well be others). So this issue alone may dictate which brand you end up with (availability issues )
I've sent stuff to Brazil, and the recipiant explained there's a lot of loss/theft there too.
The FM-2032 is a micro iron meant for working under a microscope.
My current setup is Weller (built around the WD series), and have both a general purpose iron and a micro iron. I haven't used the micro iron in years, and I do have a stereo microscope. You'll find that manufacturers provide specialized tips for SMD work.
You won't get a true apples to apples comparison by using a clone vs. the genuine article though. Completely different electronics inside and almost certainly an undersized transformer.
But they are inexpensive, and they work (thinking of the Asian branded T12 stations, not an FX-951 clone). You may have to figure out something for a stand, as I doubt any of the irons they're using would fit the one that came with your FX-888.
...Given JBC's pricing, I'd stay away. They're ~$30 per for common shapes, and there's lifespan issues according to some owners here in the forum.
FM-202X it's shorter than FX-8801 but FM-2032 it's shorter than both. TD-200 from Pace it's shorter than JBC equivalent (I think) but I believe that both are longer than 2032.
I just looked at my ADS200 with the scope and it's 30V pulses at 100Hz (I'm on 240V 50Hz).
The cartridges have two contacts, K type thermocouple in series and measure about 4.2 Ohms at roughly room temp. The cartridge barrel is earthed/grounded.
The heater is no way seeing full duty, most of the time from what I can see it's barely being worked at all.
The advantages really with the Pace, the iron is super comfy, cool, nonslip, accurate, powerful, quick heating, short working distance, no offsets or calibration, both micro and high mass tips (0.2mm to 8mm so far), great tip life and price, tweezers coming.
On the station side of things there is going to be another firmware update based on feedback out soon, more configurable, single degree adjustable, no more large temp bounce.
The Pace TD-200 iron (the one that comes with the ADS200) is 30mm from the handle edge to were the tip begins, identical to FM-2032. I don't know all the JBC irons but it's a noticeable shorter tip to work distance from a few I've seen.
Do you have issues with flux spatter from cored solder singeing your fingers at that short a distance?
Same design that in Hakko (different TC only), TC series with heater resistance and ground to exterior tip covering (for ESD)?
Of course, maybe at first 5 seconds after on.
Interesting, it's upgradeable in by the user or it's necessary to send to Pace?
You may have to contact Hakko and see if they'll give you a schematic (Weller did that for me when I requested it).
I mostly rework with rosin core SnPb so that probably makes a difference.
decent solder does not spit,
yours sounds like the flux-content is too high or badly formulated.
i have not had solder with spitting flux for maybe 20years!!
Hakko wouldn't give me a schematic but gave me a copy of the manual to look at the troubleshooting guide . However, I did score 2 power supplies and a wand in working order for $172 shipped. If the original power supply is toasted, I have 2 supplies and 2 wands. If the wand is toasted, I have 1 wand and 3 power supplies. This means I will flog one of the power supplies on the Blog and see if anyone bites for a spare. I also might be able to do some comparison checking and fix the wand. Fortunately or unfortunately, the box won't arrive until Monday and I will be on vacation in Texas then.
you'd need to be able to program a new one should it be the issue*).
* Though it would be a perfect excuse to acquire a new toy to do just that.
The difference it's that in rectified I can use any transistor with full blocked of power, and with full AC I need triac (or a bridge) and some triac permits some noise passing near the zero point.
Fat chance that the firmware would be made available by Hakko.
The main reason that full wave is preferable is EMI/noise that the device creates on the mains.
Pace sends out a pop in replacement firmware with a chip puller.
I wasn't talking about GreyWoolfe getting the code from Hakko, but rather extracting it from one of the fully functional power units he'll soon have on-hand once his package arrives.