I agree! If accuracy isn't important then why use a bench DMM? They don't offer any more functionality than a hand held one except accuracy.
4 wire ohms is very rare with handheld meters. Another points is input impedance much higher than 10 M. Most of the other functions can be found with handhelds.
4 wire ohms is very rare with handheld meters. Another points is input impedance much higher than 10 M. Most of the other functions can be found with handhelds.
Modern DMMs usually do a more or less extensive self test after turn on. This takes it's time as the circuit needs to stabilize first. Especially more modern meters takt the self test more serious, which is normally a good thing. Still faster boot time would be nice and not that difficult. However an OS like Linux with a relatively slow CPU takes it's time.
Ethernet or Wifi are 2 rather modern parts, which excludes old meters.
If taking best advantage of the presumed extra accuracy of a bench multimeter means leaving it turned on, then boot time becomes irrelevant.
Sometimes I just want to take a quick measurement, then boot time becomes relevant .Yes, we get that. But since bench DMMs are designed for accuracy,
If taking best advantage of the presumed extra accuracy of a bench multimeter means leaving it turned on, then boot time becomes irrelevant.
Sometimes I just want to take a quick measurement, then boot time becomes relevant .Yes, we get that. But since bench DMMs are designed for accuracy,Sorry, but that is utter nonsense. Since the dawn of the electronics industry you can buy bench DMMs which aren't designed for accuracy. There is more to a bench DMM than accuracy: stackability, better readability of the digits and a mains cord so it doesn't need batteries. I don't get why and how people have gotten the idea that a bench DMM should be all about accuracy.
If taking best advantage of the presumed extra accuracy of a bench multimeter means leaving it turned on, then boot time becomes irrelevant.
Sometimes I just want to take a quick measurement, then boot time becomes relevant .Yes, we get that. But since bench DMMs are designed for accuracy,Sorry, but that is utter nonsense. Since the dawn of the electronics industry you can buy bench DMMs which aren't designed for accuracy. There is more to a bench DMM than accuracy: stackability, better readability of the digits and a mains cord so it doesn't need batteries. I don't get why and how people have gotten the idea that a bench DMM should be all about accuracy.
gentlemen, gentlemen. It's all a matter of perspective and needs. The claim that "(practically all) bench meters are designed for high precision and high accuracy" is true for some brands. There are however many brands that propose meters with 20.000 count or less. Aliexpress has a nice selection of them. These meters mostly do not need a long warm up. And there is market for them.
If taking best advantage of the presumed extra accuracy of a bench multimeter means leaving it turned on, then boot time becomes irrelevant.
Sometimes I just want to take a quick measurement, then boot time becomes relevant .Yes, we get that. But since bench DMMs are designed for accuracy,Sorry, but that is utter nonsense. Since the dawn of the electronics industry you can buy bench DMMs which aren't designed for accuracy. There is more to a bench DMM than accuracy: stackability, better readability of the digits and a mains cord so it doesn't need batteries. I don't get why and how people have gotten the idea that a bench DMM should be all about accuracy.Sorry, I accidentally said “accuracy” when I meant “precision”.
Beyond that, it’s not “utter nonsense”. Look at the bench DMMs on the market: almost none aren’t high-precision, high-speed meters.
For most of us here under a few hundred K (more like 1 million+) and 4 wire minimum spec isn't a Bench DMM it is a 'Bench formfactor DMM'.
Power consumption really
Your opinion and attempted 'required specification' of what makes a Bench meter YOU require is WRONG and shows a lack of basic understanding. Further your requirements read like and are better suited for a good quality handheld and NOT a bench meter.
You need to seriously look at and understand what 4W on a bench DMM is and is not. 4W does not make any meter nesecerilly able to resolve 'accurately' milliohms. My three 6 1/2 digit DMMS are put to shame by my milliohm meter by chunks. 4W is not magic.
If taking best advantage of the presumed extra accuracy of a bench multimeter means leaving it turned on, then boot time becomes irrelevant.
Sometimes I just want to take a quick measurement, then boot time becomes relevant .Yes, we get that. But since bench DMMs are designed for accuracy,Sorry, but that is utter nonsense. Since the dawn of the electronics industry you can buy bench DMMs which aren't designed for accuracy. There is more to a bench DMM than accuracy: stackability, better readability of the digits and a mains cord so it doesn't need batteries. I don't get why and how people have gotten the idea that a bench DMM should be all about accuracy.Sorry, I accidentally said “accuracy” when I meant “precision”.
Beyond that, it’s not “utter nonsense”. Look at the bench DMMs on the market: almost none aren’t high-precision, high-speed meters.All bench meters? No. Just go around and count the models. You'll see there are way more models with less than 5.5 digits compared to models with 5.5 (or more) digits. Or if you want to go by accuracy / precission (words which mean about the same so let's not start a semantic discussion) better or worst than 0.02% . You just have to look in the right places.
@bateau020: for your requirements it might be better to buy 2 bench DMMs. A cheap everyday one like the VC8145 (I'm using one as a daily driver for nearly 10 years already) and one with more precission / better interfacing for automated tests. Then you have the best of both worlds. In many cases it is nearly impossible to have one instrument fill all the requirements.
How can a bench DMM gives more desk space than a hand held DMM? The OP kept saying he needs more desk space.
How can a bench DMM gives more desk space than a hand held DMM? The OP kept saying he needs more desk space.
To steer this discussion to a more objective direction, are there any meters that use low power standby (<2W should be enough if well isolated) to achieve very short warm-up and startup time? Frankly, that would be nice.
The 8846A, although a fast booter out of standby, still needs a fairly long warm-up AFAIK.
You need to seriously look at and understand what 4W on a bench DMM is and is not. 4W does not make any meter nesecerilly able to resolve 'accurately' milliohms. My three 6 1/2 digit DMMS are put to shame by my milliohm meter by chunks. 4W is not magic.
GW Instek GDM-9061 (or 9060) boots fast.
I bought one a year ago and haven't used it since (life got in the way) but i was nicely suprised by the quick power on when i tested the unit.
https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/detail/GDM-906x
https://www.eleshop.nl/gw-instek-gdm-9061-multimeter.html
Youtube video:
https://youtu.be/-x8Bvjc8yIQ