The situation rather reminds me of the German made Hilberling PT-8000A ham radio transceiver.
[...] Suddenly in 2008 came the announcement that due to "difficulties in meeting EU standards" production would cease.
[...] it popped up again in 2014, & again in 2017, but it seems to be "crickets" since then.
[...] the Hilberling saga is something of an object lesson about trying to enter a market which is already well served, particularly with a premium product.
Buying not directly but I would like to give it a thourough test to see how it holds when pushed to the limits.
[...] a 3K-7K hardware which is already orderable, needs a datasheet at the very least.
Professional videos, datasheet and manual will follow. We expect the series devices to be available in about 8 weeks.
I see some kind of active probe interface. Is it an existing connector or are you rolling your own?
- We currently support probe sensing. There are no special probes available for the probe interface yet.
It makes me wonder why they decided to use their own interface if they don't have the effort to make their own probes. Surely the patents for the serious brands' interfaces have expired. (Except for the newest one from Tektronix.) They could even skip reverse engineering the EEPROM format and allow users to use the probes without readout for the first version of the firmware.
Aside from spending resources so someone else can make money off your product, it still seems risky. Imagine you want to offer a current probe later, so you go to Hioki and ask them to make one with your reverse engineered Lecroy interface? Pretty good chance they just say no.
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- Noise Floor (measured values at the prototypes)
at 50 Ohm inputs, 350 MHz analog bandwidth, 5 ms/div (= 70 ms/screen)
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I assume it is 60 ms/screen.
How much memory would you have at 10 ms/div?
80 Mpts surprises me a little.
Would you then have 666,666 Mpts/s sample rate?
When the launch promo is over, the current largest model (350Mhz) will cost over 7000€, so expectations are high.
There are certainly some interesting new ideas in this scope, but before starting such a project from scratch - how does such a small company come up with the idea that there is a need for a completely new design in this small, highly specialized market, in a price segment that is far from enthusiastic hobbyists?
When the launch promo is over, the current largest model (350Mhz) will cost over 7000€, so expectations are high.
There are certainly some interesting new ideas in this scope, but before starting such a project from scratch - how does such a small company come up with the idea that there is a need for a completely new design in this small, highly specialized market, in a price segment that is far from enthusiastic hobbyists?
After all, R&S who started as "just a dealer" has evolved into a heavyweight
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Actually I'm in the market for a 350 MHz scope ...
The reasons start with me actually looking for a 500 MHz scope, ....
You might be posting in the wrong thread then?
The Siglent 3000X HD is, no doubt, a pretty powerful scope. I wish I could justify to get one for my hobby use! But be aware that it violates your acceptance criterion of 2.5 GSa/s when used with more than two channels
After all, R&S who started as "just a dealer" has evolved into a heavyweight
We've been designing and manufacturing test and measurement instruments since day one (90 years ago) - that's how we started as a company
With regards to scopes, ... we've been designing and manufacturing our own scopes for well over a decade now.
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Actually I'm in the market for a 350 MHz scope ...
The reasons start with me actually looking for a 500 MHz scope, ....
Welcome. I didn't make it past that second statement.
I got it, it was evident enough in your posts in this thread, that you are a fan of Batronix and/or their scope. And I did not in any way attack you. I can live well with others having differing views. You might want to try that too.
And btw I also didn't bash Batronix, I merely provided a potential customers feedback.
You might be posting in the wrong thread then?
Pardon me then, I didn't know that only praise for the Magnova is allowed.The Siglent 3000X HD is, no doubt, a pretty powerful scope. I wish I could justify to get one for my hobby use! But be aware that it violates your acceptance criterion of 2.5 GSa/s when used with more than two channels
OK, let's play your funny "focus on and pick what serves your view" game. I didn't say that I require min. 2.5 GS/s on all 4 channels.
I got it, it was evident enough in your posts in this thread, that you are a fan of Batronix and/or their scope. And I did not in any way attack you. I can live well with others having differing views. You might want to try that too.
And btw I also didn't bash Batronix, I merely provided a potential customers feedback.After all, R&S who started as "just a dealer" has evolved into a heavyweight
We've been designing and manufacturing test and measurement instruments since day one (90 years ago) - that's how we started as a company
Yes, probably R&S manufactured some kind of TME early on, but I've seen more than a few cases where they simply sold equipment made by others, e.g. from japanese companies. IIRC I've even seen simply relabeled equipment.With regards to scopes, ... we've been designing and manufacturing our own scopes for well over a decade now.
I know and in fact I've been a fan of R&S TME for quite some time - until an Afug test of your RTM scope woke me up. The results were shocking and that's putting it mildly. Since then, as far as I'm concerned I like (and I mean really like) the HAMEG HMO scopes, including even the early ones with a R&S label that is, Hameg scopes without R&S firmware....
Actually I'm in the market for a 350 MHz scope ...
The reasons start with me actually looking for a 500 MHz scope, ....
Welcome. I didn't make it past that second statement.
Come on, you are not stupid enough to mean that seriously. And I think I have at least a vague idea of your intellectual capability as I've seen - and enjoyed - many videos from you as well as many posts from you.
Look, 350 MHz is the best they offer and talking about their scope it made sense to say that I could be a potential customer. Plus, I explained why the 500 MHz are not really critical for me.
R&S were founded 90 odd years ago, & have been making test equipment from the beginning.
They have been heavily involved in high level radio comms & broadcast/TV equipment & TE for both fields for 70 plus years.
Far from "some kind of", their equipment has been always regarded as "top-tier" (and with a price to match!).
They weren't makers of Oscilloscopes till relatively recently (although even that is now a decade plus).
I did not attack you either. Although I must say that I found your first post a bit too long, too opinionated, and too ripe with strong language.
But you are clearly not a "potential customer" and have made that very clear through the requirements and preferences you stated. That's what I wanted to point out.