Hi All,
I have the opportunity to buy a Demo scope MSO4000 500Mhz scope from Lecroy. But also looking at Rigol MSO7000 or RTB2004.
Which is the best scope among these three choices can i buy. they all cost almost similar and currently promotion offers. This is for a R&D lab.
Unable to decide.
any advice or suggestions will be helpful.
I have the opportunity to buy a Demo scope MSO4000 500Mhz scope from Lecroy. But also looking at Rigol MSO7000 or RTB2004.
Which is the best scope among these three choices can i buy. they all cost almost similar and currently promotion offers. This is for a R&D lab.
Unable to decide.
Is this a Tektronix MSO4000?
If so, look at the probes. TCP0030(A) and TDP0500/1000 can be had on ebay for amazing prices compared to new and with these probes + Tek MSO4000. I don't think you can beat the functionality with these probes for the price.
I've been looking for comparable probes for my DSO-X 3034A and the market is not good. I ended up buying the adapter to use the older Tek TCP202 probe on my Agilent, ironic. It seems that in this generation (if you are talking about Tek), the Tek probe selection dominated.
Also I don't think you can't beat the capture depth on the Tek unless you spend way more money on an Agilent.
And the Tek 4000 series display is far, far better than the Agilent/Keysight options.
It seems that even on the larger Keysight scopes they may be using this crappy display resolution that comes on the DSO-X 3000.
I never thought I would care but when you are using the scope every day and looking at lots of edges you suddenly realize that the display resolution is really important. I theorized that Agilent may have settled on this poor display resolution because a higher resolution is irrelevant due to the memory capture depth limitations(and inability to control this on some models).
If you are working directly with TestEquity maybe they will let you look at a few scopes in person?
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I have heard this complaint over and over about Tektronix user interface, yet I never had any problem with the Tek user interface at all, I don't really see a difference. Is this in reference to the old windows based Tek scopes? I rarely used anything like that but I wouldn't doubt that they were clunky. I see no use for windows based scopes for normal analog/power work and the like.
Lots of people calling Tek inferior with no supporting evidence, which is why I am trying not to call anything except the child labor china garbage inferior as we all know that's true.
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I have heard this complaint over and over about Tektronix user interface, yet I never had any problem with the Tek user interface at all, I don't really see a difference. Is this in reference to the old windows based Tek scopes? I rarely used anything like that but I wouldn't doubt that they were clunky. I see no use for windows based scopes for normal analog/power work and the like.
Lots of people calling Tek inferior with no supporting evidence, which is why I am trying not to call anything except the child labor china garbage inferior as we all know that's true.Where have you been the last 25 years ?
Tek, HPAK and LeCroy all have had scopes made in Asia.
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I have heard this complaint over and over about Tektronix user interface, yet I never had any problem with the Tek user interface at all, I don't really see a difference. Is this in reference to the old windows based Tek scopes? I rarely used anything like that but I wouldn't doubt that they were clunky. I see no use for windows based scopes for normal analog/power work and the like.
Lots of people calling Tek inferior with no supporting evidence, which is why I am trying not to call anything except the child labor china garbage inferior as we all know that's true.Where have you been the last 25 years ?
Tek, HPAK and LeCroy all have had scopes made in Asia.
You know I think I should have said "designed(copied) in china. You're right, I most stuff like this probably has been made in china for the last 2 decades. Very sad.
You're right, I most stuff like this probably has been made in china for the last 2 decades. Very sad.
You're right, I most stuff like this probably has been made in china for the last 2 decades. Very sad.
We now have amazing oscilloscopes in the sub-$400 range where Tek would have us paying $4000. How is that sad?
You're right, I most stuff like this probably has been made in china for the last 2 decades. Very sad.
We now have amazing oscilloscopes in the sub-$400 range where Tek would have us paying $4000. How is that sad?
Well, let's see. What are we funding here:
-Communism
-Genocide
-Child Labor
-Winnie the Pooh
-etc
And all to get a majority of product which isn't designed, but is instead mostly copied without truly understanding it.
That's why.
You're right, I most stuff like this probably has been made in china for the last 2 decades. Very sad.
We now have amazing oscilloscopes in the sub-$400 range where Tek would have us paying $4000. How is that sad?
Well, let's see. What are we funding here:
-Communism
-Genocide
-Child Labor
-Winnie the Pooh
-etc
And all to get a majority of product which isn't designed, but is instead mostly copied without truly understanding it.
That's why.
You should see the diverse fields that the Saudis invest in - I suspect if your purchasing habit's were truly based on some moral compass then really you would have to pretty much make everything yourself, you can't escape dirty money.
Working TCP0030/0030A 30A 120MHz current probes usually go for around the $1200-$1500 mark. Working TDP0500 and TDP1000 go for around $500-$1200, depending if they come with accessories.
That's not any cheaper than what you can find for other manufacturers. For example, LeCroy CP031 current probes can sometimes be found around the $1000 mark, and I've bought quite a few Active Differential probes like the 500MHz AP033 and 1GHz AP034 with the 42V high voltage adapter for notably less than $250.
Agilent/Keysight, by nature, is a bit more expensive. A N7026A current probe will fetch north of $2k, but an Agilent 1159A 1GHz active differential probe (which, aside from the probe interface, is identical with the LeCroy AP034) in working condition can still fetch close to $1k.
As far as probes, I've rarely seen any Agilent probes with specs comparable to the TDP1000 for sale on eBay for comparable prices. Same goes for the current probes like TCP0030. The Tek probes just seem way more common on the used market, presumably because they have either always been more affordable and/or preferred.
And all to get a majority of product which isn't designed, but is instead mostly copied without truly understanding it.
Why, seriously why ?
Without the Asians getting into manufacture and design (NOT copying!) we'd all still be paying through the nose for our gear AND their advances wouldn't have inspired the innovation we see today in even modest priced equipment.
It's a properly competitive market now with more players each competing for a share.
Never before have we had the choice of such good equipment and at affordable prices.
Why, seriously why ?
Without the Asians getting into manufacture and design (NOT copying!) we'd all still be paying through the nose for our gear AND their advances wouldn't have inspired the innovation we see today in even modest priced equipment.
It's a properly competitive market now with more players each competing for a share.
Never before have we had the choice of such good equipment and at affordable prices.
I do really like that part, and from time to time I take advantage of it, however it is a double edged sword. The fact that I can buy something made in China or whatever other low cost region for a small fraction of what it would have cost to bet one made in the USA or other first world nation is great. The down side is that it means someone in one of these nations where standards of living are decent, working conditions are safe, environmental protections, taxes that support local infrastructure, etc cannot be paid a livable wage to build them. We have spent decades trading our long term prosperity for cheap toys and it's not sustainable. In the interim though I'm able to afford a lot of things I never possibly could have had 20-30 years ago.
People complain that there are not enough good jobs and then they go and buy the cheapest stuff they can find. You can't have both good well paid jobs and dirt cheap stuff, the money to pay salaries has to come from somewhere.
I don't think the consumers demand the prices, I think it's a race to the bottom when you are copying something. Everyone is wise to the quality issues that will always exist in a product when it comes from solely from china (vs. being designed, sourced, and QA'd by US, EU, etc) and therefore are not willing to pay much for it. Since there are multiple china copiers, they all race to the bottom which means reducing quality as much as possible (and in turn increasing profit margins) without losing too many sales.
Because more innovative Chinese companies making good stuff are banned in the US? Like ZTE and Huawei and DJI on the brink?
And FYI, Chinese clone is not what you think it was 20 years ago. I work for a company funded and founded by Chinese government serving as an IP source for innovative Chinese companies, and we do all sorts of higher end R&D.
We do clone Western technologies, but we basically stop at the idea level. You have something, we must have it. And that's where it ends. How it is done will be completely different, and the final product will not even resemble each other.