My budget is really not much more than around £1200 + VAT .
I don't need the scope to be portable and prefer a 'proper' bench unit.
Math functions and the like would also be really good
Math is one place the Micsigs really shine. You can type in just about any formula to operate on the four input channels:
Looks like they reused code from a calculator app... Love a 4/3 * Pi * ch1 exp 3 !
Math functions and the like would also be really good, but I don't need a function generator or DCM built in so just a really good 2 (or 4) channel MSO would be what I am looking for I think?? with a big clear screen (Phosphor maybe?).
My budget is really not much more than around £1200 + VAT .
I wonder what _real_ applications are for complex formula. I can understand calculating things like power (U*I), but much more than that seems just gimmick to me.
Hi,
So much helpful information, that's really great, thanks
This might seem like a silly comment and maybe a bit old fashioned, but whenever I used my old scopes or any CRT based scopes I get the feeling of a true analogue display, which of course it is (pretty much).
Over the years I have used a few modern 'digital' scopes (as in not CRT) and the displays have always disappointed me and looked very digital with traces that look a bit sort of pixelated as if it was a low res old EGA or VGA display from the 80's.
I have never been wowed by the displays. That said, the only non CRT scope I have used in the last 5+ years is a Yokogawa high end very expensive oscilloscope which has an excellent display, but all previous non CRT scopes I have used, say in the last 10+ years have always felt a bit under developed and not really matured yet, from a display point of view.
It looks like the modern digital oscilloscopes have come a long way in the last few years, so hopefully something like a Siglent SDS2104X PLUS should be ok.
On the TELONIC site they have a Siglent SDS2104X PLUS ex demo in mint condition for £945 plus VAT.
To me that seems like a lot you get a lot for the money, and ticks a lot of boxes, but I also like the the R&S offerings as well.
It is difficult because unlike the old days, you could wonder into a shop and try these things, to get a feel for them.
I remember my brother saving up for months and months and I went with him to Edgeware road (London) to buy a scope from one of the many electronics shops that had them on display and you could try them on the bench.
He came out with an Hitachi oscilloscope, which served him very well for many years and he still uses it today.
Its seems that Keysight haven't really had a look in on this discussion and I get the feeling they the are not really thought much of on here for some reason?
My main use is for designing circuits from scratch rather than a servicing point of view, so a lot of the time some things are experimental and perhaps just to use the scope to prove a part of the circuit if doing what is expected rather fault finding non functioning boards from elsewhere.
Thanks
John
This might seem like a silly comment and maybe a bit old fashioned, but whenever I used my old scopes or any CRT based scopes I get the feeling of a true analogue display, which of course it is (pretty much).
Over the years I have used a few modern 'digital' scopes (as in not CRT) and the displays have always disappointed me and looked very digital with traces that look a bit sort of pixelated as if it was a low res old EGA or VGA display from the 80's.
Hi,
So much helpful information, that's really great, thanks
This might seem like a silly comment and maybe a bit old fashioned, but whenever I used my old scopes or any CRT based scopes I get the feeling of a true analogue display, which of course it is (pretty much).
Over the years I have used a few modern 'digital' scopes (as in not CRT) and the displays have always disappointed me and looked very digital with traces that look a bit sort of pixelated as if it was a low res old EGA or VGA display from the 80's.
I have never been wowed by the displays. That said, the only non CRT scope I have used in the last 5+ years is a Yokogawa high end very expensive oscilloscope which has an excellent display, but all previous non CRT scopes I have used, say in the last 10+ years have always felt a bit under developed and not really matured yet, from a display point of view.
It looks like the modern digital oscilloscopes have come a long way in the last few years, so hopefully something like a Siglent SDS2104X PLUS should be ok.
On the TELONIC site they have a Siglent SDS2104X PLUS ex demo in mint condition for £945 plus VAT.
To me that seems like a lot you get a lot for the money, and ticks a lot of boxes, but I also like the the R&S offerings as well.
It is difficult because unlike the old days, you could wonder into a shop and try these things, to get a feel for them.
I remember my brother saving up for months and months and I went with him to Edgeware road (London) to buy a scope from one of the many electronics shops that had them on display and you could try them on the bench.
He came out with an Hitachi oscilloscope, which served him very well for many years and he still uses it today.
Its seems that Keysight haven't really had a look in on this discussion and I get the feeling they the are not really thought much of on here for some reason?
My main use is for designing circuits from scratch rather than a servicing point of view, so a lot of the time some things are experimental and perhaps just to use the scope to prove a part of the circuit if doing what is expected rather fault finding non functioning boards from elsewhere.
Thanks
John
What time I did get with these digital devices wasn't impressive and liked the old analog display from Tek much better.
Most of my projects are digital based with embeded MCU's and a multitude of inputs from sensors etc, mainly passing through ADC's and DAC's and filters etc with some op-amp stuff for signal conditioning and the like.
I'd say 4 channels is important for that...
* You can get 4 channel versions and MSOs (are there any 4 channel CROs?)
* You can get 4 channel versions and MSOs (are there any 4 channel CROs?)
>Its seems that Keysight haven't really had a look in on this discussion and I get the feeling they the are not really thought much of on here for some reason?
Its not because anyone thinks less of Keysight, they make some very solid scopes, but the bang for buck is not nearly as high as the other ones mentioned. The Siglent SDS2000X Plus (as well as some of the other scopes mentioned here) have a lot of the features of a Keysight MSO3000XT for about 1/3rd of the price. Not to mention that after you *Liberate* your scope there is even more of a bang per buck difference.
Its seems that Keysight haven't really had a look in on this discussion and I get the feeling they the are not really thought much of on here for some reason?
Its not because anyone thinks less of Keysight, they make some very solid scopes, but the bang for buck is not nearly as high as the other onesNot to mention that after you *Liberate* your scope there is even more of a bang per buck difference.
Spec sheets are all ok, but real reviews are valuable.
Most of my projects are digital based with embeded MCU's and a multitude of inputs from sensors etc, mainly passing through ADC's and DAC's and filters etc with some op-amp stuff for signal conditioning and the like.