This is beyond EPIC.
uch appreciated.
Massive thanks for this Martin!
I had the scope a few years ago and am no longer quite up to date:
Is it still the case that you have to renew the hack as soon as you load new firmware onto the scope?
If so, then nothing has changed in the last 5 years...
I had the scope a few years ago and am no longer quite up to date:
Is it still the case that you have to renew the hack as soon as you load new firmware onto the scope?
If so, then nothing has changed in the last 5 years...
I had the scope a few years ago and am no longer quite up to date:
Is it still the case that you have to renew the hack as soon as you load new firmware onto the scope?
If so, then nothing has changed in the last 5 years...
You need to keep up Martin72, things have changed.
That said, applying the original update following a firmware update is very straightforward; not at all a bind and keeps the MSO5000 fully featured.
Back on topic - Martin, thanks for the additional videos man, will work through them.
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So answer to his question is : Yes, every time you load new firmware you need to patch up again, but process was made to be very easy, so it is not a problem. But you need to patch up every time, it is not one time job as it was on a Z machine..
No, you have no relevance here.
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For hacking (as you well know) you need to read the other thread and I'd recommend paying attention to posts from DrMefistO, especially Reply #2739. From those you will learn that the situation has changed and the scope can now be modified either way. Easily.
Letw get this straight. You need to re patch after each update or you lose the options you added?
If so , them we should expect that the hack will be fixed at some point.
Finally I guess you can just return the scope to it's older self with the back and re hack it, keeping it in an older FW version.
Am I correct in my assumption?
You need to keep up Martin72, things have changed.
That said, applying the original update following a firmware update is very straightforward; not at all a bind and keeps the MSO5000 fully featured.
Back on topic - Martin, thanks for the additional videos man, will work through them.
No, you have no relevance here.
Although hacking is mentioned in the title the purpose here is to share skills and information on how to use the very capable modified MSO5000 to its full potential.
For hacking (as you well know) you need to read the other thread and I'd recommend paying attention to posts from DrMefistO, especially Reply #2739. From those you will learn that the situation has changed and the scope can now be modified either way. Easily.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/2725/
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So answer to his question is : Yes, every time you load new firmware you need to patch up again, but process was made to be very easy, so it is not a problem. But you need to patch up every time, it is not one time job as it was on a Z machine..
[edit: lots more information from reply #2672 onward in the above linked thread]
No, you have no relevance here.
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For hacking (as you well know) you need to read the other thread and I'd recommend paying attention to posts from DrMefistO, especially Reply #2739. From those you will learn that the situation has changed and the scope can now be modified either way. Easily.
What has no relevance here is this type of comment.
As you say, the title refers "post hacking" so a very reasonable question was made. And a very easy answer could have been posted. Patched or licensed, only that.
Some are already aware of DrMefistO licensing method BUT a few are also aware that writing with fixed offsets in the FRAM, as DrMefistO does, AFAIR, can lead to bad results. Not all MSO5000's FRAM structure are equal.
When someone posts the correct way to insert licenses into the FRAM then ALL will finally have the "easy" way for sure.
I have tried to use the script and it failed for me deleting the add-ons o had form the bundle i had.
As I mentioned in
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/2750/
I followed other instructions and everything when great having a fully powered mso5354 now. The question is which patch do I need to run to keep the scope supercharged and what is your assessment of the possibility of the patch being disabled in future fw updates
It's bo big deal that's for sure. I'm merely thinking about IF one should be careful.and maybe even get a backup pre upgrading just in case they decide to undo our hacking.
Tbh I don't think updating is needed unless some glaring issue arises.
Maybe i didn't phrase it correctly. Now the scope is full. Everything is as it should be. Calibrated etc too. All options activated. It's just that the script didn't work for me, the layered version you provide works fine
Done all of those already as for the videos the new link has been emailed to you.
Glad to be of service to the community.
The new link will never be stopped.
"Heavy metal is the law"
Manowar kick ass.. have met them here after a show. Eric Adams is a great guy. \m/.
I'm twice as happy to help a fellow metalhead..
Btw BTO I'm watching the vids and am not sure if you say something later but help buffled me too. So I found out how it works by trying it out. When you are in "content" you just press a button and it goes to that button reference on help so you go on from there
Yeah he was cool he came to me with 2 beers and we chatted for some time.
I used to work as a sound engineer and had the honor to meet lots of the metal gods I wanted to meet. Sadly I didn't get to meet the ultimate god namely DIO. That would have been epic.
I'm watching the "all settings" video number 4.
Help option is weird to use imobit when you get the hang of it its fine
Yeah I was the last guy around , it was 4am and I would take the first train out to my uni at 8am so I stayed and watched the crew dismantle the stage etc. I guess the guy thought I was the biggest fan around hahaha.i did shock him though when I gave him a kings of metal cassette to sign.hahaha. he didn't even think those existed anymore. Oh the good old days.
Great work BTO.
I just re-encoded your videos to h265 which reduced the size by more than 90%
The settings video went from 9.3G to 258M, same size, no loss of quality really.
If you can, maybe do the same to reduce the file sizes.
Or I'm happy to upload my conversion if needed.
As a side note, tomtektest on youtube did a 33 part overview of the MSO5000 and functions.
Definately have a look and give him a like on the videos.
Here's the playlist:
His channel: https://www.youtube.com/@tomtektest8042
(Don't know the guy, just saw the videos 3 years ago when they were released).
Again, thanks BTO.
Any chance you have a OneDrive or GDrive link to the re-encoded videos?
I tried to download from Mega - but got bitten in the butt by a Mega-download limit and now I can't download anything from them
And thanks to @thorstormlord for making the videos
@bto don't worry about it mate the vids are being recoded as we speak
Massive thanks for this Martin!
I'm just the host my friend, making them credit goes to BTO.
I'll recode them and make the download smaller then depending the size I may be able to host them on other clouds as well.
I use handbrake, it's open source and quite powerful.
Sorry for my misunderstandin friend Thank YOU for making them, thank @thorstormlord for reencoding them
Thank you all for your efforts
I hope I didn't rub anyone the wrong way - This is one community I have the utmost respect for
Man,
1stly the vids are being recoded.
2ndly I never really thought about it but yeah mega has a download limit for non users.but anyone can easily make a free account and enjoy.
3rdly after vids are recoded I'll find another cloud to host them for the people.
Until then a different IP computer will solve the download issue
Tbh I did encode them on a pretty powerless machine (Microsoft surface) but I can do them on a more powerful gaming pc if your find anything too inappropriate about them.
I'll watch them throughout and see if I find anything bad.i may recode that single one.
Anyways I don't mind hosting them indefinitely man.
Tomtektest is very good and he is a follower if the forum but he is against hacking the scope.
Hello,
I was just wondering if there was a published 'hack'/upgrade for a Rigol MSO5072 with Firmware 01.03.02.02. I was just about to follow the guide for 01.03.00.03 and then realized - I should stop!
Many thanks
Hello,
I was just wondering if there was a published 'hack'/upgrade for a Rigol MSO5072 with Firmware 01.03.02.02. I was just about to follow the guide for 01.03.00.03 and then realized - I should stop!
Many thanks
Yes, I was able to download it - and am watching as I am able to find time
Thanks again - I'm always excited to learn something new or somthing old better
Hi,
@BTO
I have some questions about using the MSO5000, which I ask you and other colleagues to repeat the test and help with the solution:
3. Read the Memoirs (Ref):
(Power off -> GI)
We save different Signals in Memories (Ref1) and (Ref5) and (Ref10).
And we save the IMGs in Drive (C), in positions (RigolDS0), (RigolDS1) and (RigolDS2).
The objective is to place the Memory Signals (Ref1) and (Ref5) and (Ref10) on the screen to use to compare with a signal of interest:
(Press -> Ref) -> (More) -> (Details) -> (See table -> (Ref1) and (Ref5) and (Ref10))
Dear @BTO, I can't bring the signals saved in (Ref1) and (Ref5) and (Ref10) to the screen.
Check how to do this.
Hi,
@BTO
I have some questions about using the MSO5000, which I ask you and other colleagues to repeat the test and help with the solution:
Dear @BTO, I can't bring the signals saved in (Ref1) and (Ref5) and (Ref10) to the screen. I can only run the most recent IMG brought from Drive (C), and if I press (CLEAR) the IMGs become inaccessible.
Check how to resolve this.
Any colleague can comment on my question.
Translation with Google Translate.
Hi,
@BTO
I have some questions about using the MSO5000, which I ask you and other colleagues to repeat the test and help with the solution:
1. Measure SlewRate of a Square Wave Signal.
Connect the MSO5000 GI to CH-1, with Square Wave and f=1MHz, and Amplitude = 1Vpp.
See the IMG, notice that the SlewRate Measurement is in the unit of (Mv/s).
It turns out that the SlewRate unit is (V/us) and the MSO5000 displays (Mv/s).
Besides (v) is in lowercase and should be capitalized (V). The (Mv) means (Mega Volt) which is a very large number, and at the bottom it shows (s) which means (seconds) and should be (us).
I was unable to change the Unit of SlewRate in the MSO5000 menu.
Check how to resolve this.
Hi,
Dear @BTO,
Thank you for commenting on my doubts.
I put my questions here, because luckily you have good contact with a Rigol Engineer, who can answer the technical FW and UI questions raised by MSO5000 consumers.
Yes, I agree with you that:
“Re Problem 2 and 3 - IS NOT A PROBLEM, ALTHOUGH I CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD BE CONFUSING.”
See that I put the entire procedure here, so you and other colleagues can reproduce the test.
I suggest that the Memories (Ref1 -> Ref10) are numbered in the UI as (Ref0 -> Ref9), This will maintain the logic of all files saved in Drive (C).
I saw that you were able to place (ALL) the IMGs saved in Drive (C) on the screen at the same time, and also in the (Ref) Table.
@BTO, but in practice this is not necessary.
For example, see that you can make a sequence of Waveform Measurements of many signals in one (Radio #1). And save in the Table (Ref) and in the Drive (C). To then compare with other Radios identical to (Radio #1), to adjust, for example, IF Coils, RF Filters, etc...
See that you have in Drive (C) the IMGs of interest to adjust everything you need, and you can transfer them to the table (Ref), to use (ONE AT A TIME), and not all at the same time. You only need (1 IMG at a time) to make the comparative adjustment.
And then you do one (Press -> Default) and delete the entire Table (Ref), and do other things of your interest.
On another day, you take a different model (Radio #2) and do the same procedure. And you don't have to worry about numbering, as the MSO5000 does automatic and sequential numbering, starting from (RigolDS0 -> RigolDS1). You just need to have external control of what was saved in each position of the (RigolDS x)... Or change the name of each one, in each operation.
But imagine that you have 200 or more IMGs saved in Drive (C) of many Radios and other Equipment, I think it is better to leave the automatic numbering of the MSO5000.
And one fine day, you have a model of (Radio #2) to adjust.
It's simple, you can load 10 IMG at a time, in Memories (Ref1 -> Ref10) and you are ready to adjust (EACH ONE) of the adjoints, step by step, and the screen has to have (1 IMG at a time), and not the ones (10IMGs at the same time).
See that if you (Press -> CLEAR) you clear the screen of all IMGs, and what I want is to sequentially select the IMGs from (Ref1 -> Ref10), (ONE AT A TIME), and do a comparative test, and adjust your copy of (Radio #x) as it is in the IMG of Ref.
But the MSO5000 UI does not allow you to load just one IMG, for example (Ref3) on the screen. Check.
Another idea, imagine that you are in a small artisanal factory, where you have (10 Adjustment Stations), with different people or operators. And each (Adjustment Station) has an MSO5000 loaded with a single Reference IMG (Refx), each operator makes an adjustment, and see that productivity will increase a lot, as well as the quality of the adjustments.
@BTO, notice on your MSO5000 that the UI does not give you the option to load (1 IMG) saved in the (Ref) Table. You load (10 IMGs), and have (10 IMGs) at the same time, but you can't load just (1 IMG). Some (BUTTON) is missing from the UI. Check out.
In the hypothetical (Adjustment Station), it is impractical to have (10 IMGs) on the screen at the same time for the Operator to choose (One), and compare with a signal of interest on a board.
To be continued.
Thank you for commenting on my doubts.
I put my questions here, because luckily you have good contact with a Rigol Engineer, who can answer the technical FW and UI questions raised by MSO5000 consumers.
See that I put the entire procedure here
@BTO, but in practice this is not necessary.
And then you do one (Press -> Default) and delete the entire Table (Ref), and do other things of your interest.
what I want is to sequentially select the IMGs from (Ref1 -> Ref10), (ONE AT A TIME), and do a comparative test
But the MSO5000 UI does not allow you to load just one IMG, for example (Ref3) on the screen. Check.
@BTO, notice on your MSO5000 that the UI does not give you the option to load (1 IMG) saved in the (Ref) Table
You load (10 IMGs), and have (10 IMGs) at the same time, but you can't load just (1 IMG).
Some (BUTTON) is missing from the UI. Check out.
In the hypothetical (Adjustment Station), it is impractical to have (10 IMGs) on the screen at the same time for the Operator to choose (One), and compare with a signal of interest on a board.
Hi,
Dear @BTO,
To explain better, and you understand:
You stated that:
“Anyway, it all works, I think you just didn't use the IMPORT option”
Check my msg #62, in (item #4) that I used the (IMPORT) function to bring the IMGs saved in Drive (C) to a position in the Table (Refx).
The central issue is that you can IMPORT (10 IMGs) saved in Drive (C), and load them into Memory positions (Ref1 -> Ref10). But you can't use it (ONE AT A TIME). Check out:
(Press -> CLEAR) and try running just one IMG saved in the (Ref Table).
As for your message #65, you understood my question regarding SlewRate measurement, and forwarded it to the solution. It's great that you were able to open this solution channel with the Rigol Engineer.
I have other similar UI questions, in the Bode Plote and FFT functions. I will produce a coherent text, and post it here for you and other colleagues, to see if there is any viable solution.
Much obliged.
Check my msg #62, in (item #4)
(Press -> CLEAR) and try running just one IMG saved in the (Ref Table).
Hi,
Dear @BTO,
1. TKS, você está fazendo um vídeo esclarecendo o assunto:
“Quote
what I want is to sequentially select the IMGs from (Ref1 -> Ref10), (ONE AT A TIME), and do a comparative test
- YOU CAN.. i've got a video coming, don't worry”
2. Você perguntou:
“Quote
Some (BUTTON) is missing from the UI. Check out.
- Which Button is Missing ?”
Response:
Carry the first IMG:
(Clear All Memories) -> (Press -> Default) ->
(Press -> Ref) -> (More) -> (Detalis) -> (Verify -> all Memories (REF1 -> REF10) are Clean) -> (Close REF Table -> x) -> (Back) ->
(Select -> Current -> Ref1) -> (More) ->
(Press -> Import) -> (Local Disk (C) -> (Select -> RigolDS0.ref) -> (Load)
-> (More) (Details) -> (Verify -> Only (REF1) is with IMG saved) -> (Close REF Table -> x) (CLEAR) -> (Menu off).
Carry others IMG:
(Press -> Ref) -> (More) -> (Select -> Current -> Ref2) -> (More) ->
(Press -> Import) -> (Local Disk (C) -> (Select -> RigolDS1.ref) -> (Load)
-> (More) (Details) -> (Verify -> (REF1 and REF2) are with IMGs saved) -> (Close REF Table -> x) (CLEAR) -> (Menu off).
(Press -> Ref) -> (More) -> (Select -> Current -> Ref3) -> (More) ->
(Press -> Import) -> (Local Disk (C) -> (Select -> RigolDS2.ref) -> (Load)
-> (More) (Details) -> (Verify -> (REF1 and REF2 and REF3) are with IMGs saved) -> (Close REF Table -> x) (CLEAR) -> (Menu off).
CARRY ONLY ONE Ref Table IMG:
(Press -> Ref) -> (More) -> (Details) -> (See the REF1 -> Table) ->
(It is MISSING Button) -> (Touch one REFx IMG -> May be: REF1, REF2 or REF3) -> (OK) -> (Carry on the Screen the Signal IMG)
@BTO this is as far as I managed to get. I'm waiting for your video on how to load just one IMG from the REF Table on the Screen.
Enter the sequence of buttons you have to press to load just ONE IMG from the REF Table.
TKS.
Hi,
Dear @BTO,
To explain better, and you understand:
You stated that:
“Anyway, it all works, I think you just didn't use the IMPORT option”
Check my msg #62, in (item #4) that I used the (IMPORT) function to bring the IMGs saved in Drive (C) to a position in the Table (Refx).
The central issue is that you can IMPORT (10 IMGs) saved in Drive (C), and load them into Memory positions (Ref1 -> Ref10). But you can't use it (ONE AT A TIME). Check out:
(Press -> CLEAR) and try running just one IMG saved in the (Ref Table).
As for your message #65, you understood my question regarding SlewRate measurement, and forwarded it to the solution. It's great that you were able to open this solution channel with the Rigol Engineer.
I have other similar UI questions, in the Bode Plote and FFT functions. I will produce a coherent text, and post it here for you and other colleagues, to see if there is any viable solution.
Much obliged.
Dear @BTO,
I'm grateful for the video. I watched it in its entirety.
I realized that you understood my difficulty, of selecting from (Ref Table) just (ONE IMG), and loading it on the Screen.
And also sent the suggestion to the Rigol Engineer.
One thing we didn't tell the rest of the list is that you can change the signal period, and the Amplitude, and place the Original Signal in any position on the screen.
For example, the two squares at the bottom of the Screen. And when you save it in the (Ref Table) and in the Drive (C), the Vertical Position of the signal on the screen is also recorded, and you cannot change it, when you load the signal from the Drive (C), to the (Ref Table).
When you load the Signal on the Screen, from (Table Ref), you can change the Period (time) of the signal, but the Amplitude (Volt) remains fixed.
And when you, for example, input an external signal for analysis, on the CH-1, you can decrease the Amplitude (Vertical) and Adjust V-Position, and adjust the Period (Horizontal), so that it matches the Signal Period, and you make the necessary adjustments so that the Signal of interest has exactly the same Shape, Amplitude and Period as the Signal (Ref Table) loaded on the Screen.
TKS. 73.
I had the scope a few years ago and am no longer quite up to date:
Is it still the case that you have to renew the hack as soon as you load new firmware onto the scope?
If so, then nothing has changed in the last 5 years...
I had the scope a few years ago and am no longer quite up to date:
Is it still the case that you have to renew the hack as soon as you load new firmware onto the scope?
If so, then nothing has changed in the last 5 years...
Hey Martin,
yes, you still have to use the patch after every update.
You need to keep up Martin72, things have changed.
That said, applying the original update following a firmware update is very straightforward; not at all a bind and keeps the MSO5000 fully featured.
Back on topic - Martin, thanks for the additional videos man, will work through them.
His question was not how easy it was.
With Rigol DS1000Z you applied the licenses and after that scope was unlocked and you didn't have to patch anything ever again, even if you loaded new firmware.
So his question was very on the topic, and he asked it because he wanted to keep up...
So answer to his question is : Yes, every time you load new firmware you need to patch up again, but process was made to be very easy, so it is not a problem. But you need to patch up every time, it is not one time job as it was on a Z machine..
Hello,
I was just wondering if there was a published 'hack'/upgrade for a Rigol MSO5072 with Firmware 01.03.02.02. I was just about to follow the guide for 01.03.00.03 and then realized - I should stop!
Many thanks