Have been playing with my 804X all morning, and so far I'm really impressed. Other than the slightly sluggish UI (in particular, the waveform stops updating for an annoying long period of time when I adjust the trigger position), it's hard to believe this is a £355 scope. Especially when it's already shown me something interesting about a critical signal on my current project that I wasn't even aware of after a day probing it with my Agilent.
So, feature request #3: Can anything be done about the delay between adjusting the horizontal trigger time, and the waveform update resuming?
And feature request #4: Use full memory depth for single shot capture. On the Agilent, a single-shot capture grabs more data than just what fits on the screen, so I can press 'single' then pan and zoom the result, including a lot more pre- and post-trigger data. On the Siglent, pressing 'single' fills the screen, but the acquisition begins and ends with what can be displayed, even if that leaves memory unused. Why not fill the memory, so I can trigger on an interesting event and then scroll back and forward to see what happened before and after?
Improvement Request: Remember "Navigate by History Frame" mode
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If I have chosen "Navigate by History frame" mode once, remember that mode, and bring it back when the acquisition is stopped? (Also save this choice and bring it back after a re-boot please.)
I could answer like this: Frankly, I have not understood what that mode is needed for at all: I have the very same navigation possibilities directly in the history menu. And indeed, I have never ever in almost ten years used Navigate for browsing the history of a Siglent DSO.
Why not fill the memory, so I can trigger on an interesting event and then scroll back and forward to see what happened before and after?
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It might have to do with the fact that the higher-class instruments (which I normally use) have increasingly less buttons on their front panels. The SDS2000X Plus still has Navigate and History buttons, whereas the SDS2000X HD has none of them and SDS3000X HD is the same. Even more importantly: none of them have the back-, pause- and forward-buttons; these are really exclusive to the SDS800X HD - which I only use if I must (e.g. to produce screenshots for a review 😉), because of its small screen and the almost unbearable (for me) high acoustic noise level. Consequently, I’m not used to these buttons at all. I’m rather used to the History button on the front panel, which I’ve consequently programmed into the Quick Action button of all the instruments that don’t have one anymore. Never using auto-hide for the menus adds to the fact that I’m not missing the button navigation at all.
In my opinion, it was a big fail to make the SDS800 so similar to the 1000X-E, despite being a touch scope. Whoever directly upgrades from 800X HD to 2000X HD will complain: “where are all my beloved buttons gone?!” I was the same when I got the SDS2000X HD after I was used to the SDS2000X Plus. Yet I realized pretty quickly that this is now the new trend – most of the front panel dedicated to the screen and less buttons – and that I just have to live with it.
Have been playing with my 804X all morning, and so far I'm really impressed. Other than the slightly sluggish UI (in particular, the waveform stops updating for an annoying long period of time when I adjust the trigger position), it's hard to believe this is a £355 scope.
So, feature request #3: Can anything be done about the delay between adjusting the horizontal trigger time, and the waveform update resuming?
And feature request #4: Use full memory depth for single shot capture. On the Agilent, a single-shot capture grabs more data than just what fits on the screen, so I can press 'single' then pan and zoom the result, including a lot more pre- and post-trigger data. On the Siglent, pressing 'single' fills the screen, but the acquisition begins and ends with what can be displayed, even if that leaves memory unused. Why not fill the memory, so I can trigger on an interesting event and then scroll back and forward to see what happened before and after?
I could answer like this: Frankly, I have not understood what that mode is needed for at all: I have the very same navigation possibilities directly in the history menu. And indeed, I have never ever in almost ten years used Navigate for browsing the history of a Siglent DSO.That goes like "i have always done it like this, and it worked". His suggestion is a very good one, that i think i made too. That navigate button is much quicker pressed, and without the possibility of hitting the wrong button on the touch screen. History in the menu would need twice as much button presses, if that navigate suggestion would be properly implemented.
wanted feature No.37
There is good reason SDS2000X and above are all supplied with a wireless mouse.
Speaking of cursors...
I don't really like it when the screen is plastered with data, so I find the MAUI from lecroy a more discreet solution:
The following pictures are an example of how it could work, I can hardly imagine that something similar could be realized with the 800X HD, then rather with the larger models(On the other hand, I would of course be very pleasantly surprised if it did).
There is good reason SDS2000X and above are all supplied with a wireless mouse.Buttons are quicker, and you can use them without looking at the scope.
Dunno what POS mouse you are using and why you would wanna take your eyes from the display when driving a scope.
Yes, I will list a top x later, thank you for your suggestion.
Referring to the attached image, reduce the font size and apply for two information blocks, displaying X and Y respectively.
In these matters, however, we have to remember things related to human physiology when thinking about the user interface. One important thing is visual ergonomics. Regarding this aspect, a good design must take into account a wide range of operating conditions. In addition, it is very important that these devices can be used by the very young and on the other hand by the very elderly. The fact that there are various eye imperfections in all age groups, and in addition, even if the eyes of a fighter pilot are 30 years old, the eyes may change with age, for example the eye's ability to focus at different distances weakens and many other problems. In addition, some have nearsightedness and some have so-called farsightedness. Then there are different types of glasses. Those near-far combination glasses are not problem-free at all.
Of course, money and what you want are at odds. Also, as annoying as it is, the time that can be used for planning is also a limit. Someone says that the code doesn't cost much. It costs time. When the release date is approaching and there is a huge amount of things ahead and limited resources. Changing devices after release has its pros and cons. Someone may think that by doing some small thing differently... but there may be something iron level in front of you. Which, in turn, has been chosen as a compromise in relation to several different variables.
For example, as a myopic person myself, I don't want to change glasses all the time.
If I take the glasses off completely I can see close as well as any other solder with a microscope. The oscilloscope cannot always be located in an optimal place for vision. The eyes of the oscilloscope user are not always the flawless eyes of a young person with excellent accommodation. Then there are the various larger and smaller individual differences related to smelling colors. Someone can already have gray cataracts starting in their forties...etc,
Fonts cannot be reduced any more than what has been done now.
and for example now that the oscilloscope has got a changeable font size. The bigger one takes up space quite annoyingly, but many users are almost forced to use it. When working 8 hours a day with an oscilloscope, it is good to avoid excessive eye strain.
If someone is of the opinion that an oscilloscope does not belong to a 60-year-old or an 80-year-old, then let them grow up or just hang out in kindergarten. I know several people over 80 years old who use oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers and vector circuit analyzers. I myself have used an oscilloscope etc., not very long, only 60 years.
This is only because the design of the user interface of the oscilloscope is a little more than just wanting everything nice quickly and a lot and possibly without thinking about a wide user base and very different operating environments and situations. The fact that the devices are designed by young inexperienced novices who have just graduated from school and have almost no extensive experience in using measuring devices. It shows.
Sometimes I told someone that before starting to design equipment it would be good to read, for example, old HP journals and familiarize yourself with what it is all about. They are outdated, but they still provide a lot of information for planning in terms of the clear interface between man and machine. One of the fads these days is touchscreens, which are everywhere. Great in the right places and creepy in the wrong places. Take a look at a car. The driver fumbles through menus on the touch panel to adjust the seat to heat or something else, and his eyes are there on the screen because that action requires optical feedback. There will be trucks with which the meeting speed can be 50 m/s and they will dodge from a meter away from their nose. That's why - I didn't choose Tsla for my electric car.
The designer of the user interface must have strong knowledge and a broad interdisciplinary understanding of human physiology, specifically in such a way that it covers more than the "standard human" of physiology textbooks.
When it's not... well, you see it everywhere and a lot. The time for doing well is history. There is no time for that nowadays - because we have made such choices.
Of course, some "optimization" in the placement of different things on the screen can be done in a few things on the screen of this oscilloscope, but the limit value has been reached in font reduction and partially already undershot - but as a compromise dictated by "necessity". I wouldn't reduce it anymore. If it is a problem, the solution must be found in a different way than by reducing the font size.
Yes, I will list a top x later, thank you for your suggestion.I would be a good idea to have a poll, about what feature are needed/liked the most. You can create one here in the forum.
The bottom space of 800X HD is too limited. ...
Not in the case of active measurements (see picture). The red boxes are the wasted space, the blue box is the resulting overall won space if adjusted. Lots of space to put infos.
Lots of space to put infos.
Not in the case of active measurements (see picture). The red boxes are the wasted space, the blue box is the resulting overall won space if adjusted. Lots of space to put infos.
There is also a language called Chinese , Chinese is very long, and some math units of measurement are very long, which is not enough space