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Siglent SDS1000X HD versus SDS2000X HD
Posted by
dexar
on 23 Mar, 2024 12:48
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Does anybody know how responsive the UI is in the two scope families?
I am guessing that the SDS2000X HD is powered by a more powerful CPU but
can you feel the difference compared to the SDS1000X HD when operating it?
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#1 Reply
Posted by
skander36
on 23 Mar, 2024 18:42
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The best answer can be done by the one that own both models, but excepting those that get a old test v.1 of the 1000X-HD I don't think that someone will buy both models for the future.
This models does not have a CPU in terms of clasic arhitecture, but if you are refering to the application processor, 1000X-HD has a more recent and advanced one - Zynq 7000 UltraScale+ MPSoC, while 2000X-HD has an older version of Zinq - Zynq 7000 SoC.
But ... while 1000X-HD is doing the signal processing with the FPGA logic included in the same Zinq MPSOC, 2000X-HD has 2 other more powerfull FPGA's available: Spartan 7 and Artix 7 to do the processing nedeed for 2x2 Gsa/s and 4x12 bit channels at 500 MHz BW.
So the difference in power procesing of the signal became obvious.
During use SDS100-X-HD is not slow at all, except when you have more math function simultaneously for ex. FFT or nested functions.
So in terms of usability 1000X-HD does not show slowness as an obvious issue, only if you look for it you can find situations when it can be revealed. But I didn't find scopes that can't be kneel if you really want.
P.S. If you look for a model with a clasic CPU from Siglent they have SDS7000A wich feature an x86 architecture.
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#2 Reply
Posted by
dexar
on 24 Mar, 2024 07:45
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Thanks for the info. Now I understand why ERES is done in hw only in the SDS2000X HD.
You wrote 500MHz BW. The highest BW model of the SDS2000X HD is 350MHz according to the siglent homepage.
Do you mean that it is SW limited to 350Mhz or was it a typo?
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#3 Reply
Posted by
tautech
on 24 Mar, 2024 08:19
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Thanks for the info. Now I understand why ERES is done in hw only in the SDS2000X HD.
You wrote 500MHz BW. The highest BW model of the SDS2000X HD is 350MHz according to the siglent homepage.
Do you mean that it is SW limited to 350Mhz or was it a typo?
Correct. SDS2354X HD.
However a BW upgrade to 500 MHz is available as an option....unpriced on the EU website.
https://www.siglenteu.com/accessory/350-mhz-to-500-mhz-bandwidth-upgrade/This only supports 500 MHz with 2 active channels and just one on each ADC otherwise a 350 MHz BW limit is automatically applied.
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#4 Reply
Posted by
dexar
on 24 Mar, 2024 08:33
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Tautech, do you think Siglent will continue with updates for the SDS2000X HD. It sounds like it about to be discontinued?
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#5 Reply
Posted by
tautech
on 24 Mar, 2024 09:02
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Tautech, do you think Siglent will continue with updates for the SDS2000X HD.
100%, it is a very capable and popular model which fits well between the 8bit SDS2000X Plus and the new 12bit SDS3000X HD.
SDS2000X HD has some more and better features than SDS2000X Plus yet they are both 500 MHz designs.
In the future it may be changed to the dark scheme of the other 12bit models but this is just a guess on my part.
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#6 Reply
Posted by
tautech
on 24 Mar, 2024 09:35
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#7 Reply
Posted by
joeB
on 24 Mar, 2024 12:45
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The SDS2000X HD also includes the 500 MHz passive probes.
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#8 Reply
Posted by
skander36
on 24 Mar, 2024 16:41
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Batronix now has the SDS2000X_HD in stock at the lower price (Siglent recomended) - 2,237 E.
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#9 Reply
Posted by
Martin72
on 24 Mar, 2024 16:55
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#10 Reply
Posted by
baldurn
on 24 Mar, 2024 17:01
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Indeed ! (2 day ago it wasn´t showed)
https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Siglent-SDS2104X-hd.html
Together with the bundle this would be maxmium insane price/performance ratio, even without the bundle.
(Greetings from one who paid 3500 for the scope alone...)
I paid €2831 in december 2022. Doesn't matter, I rather that these things depreciate in value than stagnation with no new released devices.
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#11 Reply
Posted by
Antonio90
on 24 Mar, 2024 17:02
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It is a very good deal indeed. I had to talk myself out of buying it, as that would mean selling my two best DMMs and maybe some other stuff. As good as a deal it is, we are still talking about + €2K, which is a complete lab in itself.
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#12 Reply
Posted by
egonotto
on 25 Mar, 2024 10:17
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Hello,
I have become weak.
Best regards
egonotto
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#13 Reply
Posted by
Antonio90
on 25 Mar, 2024 10:22
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Hello,
I have become weak.
Best regards
egonotto
You have my sympathy.
I, however, wouldn't have my wife's sympathy if I were to be in your place.
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I have become weak.
No, you're strong and free to choose wisely!
100MHz?
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#15 Reply
Posted by
egonotto
on 25 Mar, 2024 11:33
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Hello,
yes it has 100 MHz bandwith and ENOB 8.7 bit (typical).
Best regards
egonotto
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#16 Reply
Posted by
Martin72
on 25 Mar, 2024 11:34
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Hello,
I have become weak.
Best regards
egonotto
Excellent, will you have both 2000 and 3000X HD?
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#17 Reply
Posted by
egonotto
on 25 Mar, 2024 11:38
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Hello,
yes, and I hope that the SDS2104X HD will arrive this week.
Best regards
egonotto
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#18 Reply
Posted by
egonotto
on 25 Mar, 2024 12:12
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Hello,
what surprises me is:
SDS800X HD and SDS1000X HD
Mask test speed Up to 80,000 frames/s
SDS2000X HD
Mask test speed Up to 14,000 frames/s
SDS3000X HD
Mask test speed Up to 28,000 frames/s
Best regards
egonotto
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#19 Reply
Posted by
skander36
on 25 Mar, 2024 13:08
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Hello,
yes, and I hope that the SDS2104X HD will arrive this week.
Best regards
egonotto
You da man! ...
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#20 Reply
Posted by
Frex
on 26 Mar, 2024 10:51
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Hello all,
I'm also interested to upgrade my bench with the SDS2000X-HD,
but I have some questions about it.
First, is there a way to unlock it as for the non HD version ? (bandwidth and options).
It seem that there is a hack, but not publicly revealed.
Second, there is also complain about very slow update rate in LA mode compared
to non HD model,. Do this point has been fixed ?
(There is a youtube video about this issue here : )
Thank you in advance for your opinions.
Regards
Frex
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#21 Reply
Posted by
H.O
on 26 Mar, 2024 16:17
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I was about to pull the trigger when the 2104X HD was available at Batterfly the other week but when I got around to it it was gone. Oh, just as well I thought...it's not like I've worn out the 2kX+
But now, when it showed up at Batronix at the new pricepoint I could no longer resist.
SDS2104X HD with the SDS2XHD-BND bundle coming shortly.
If anyone else is ordering from Batronix don't forget to use that "Request quote" button.
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#22 Reply
Posted by
egonotto
on 26 Mar, 2024 18:45
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Hello,
the SDS2104X HD is no longer available from Batronix.
Best regards
egonotto
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#23 Reply
Posted by
egonotto
on 26 Mar, 2024 19:02
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Hello,
it is now exciting to see whether it will arrive this week. I have not yet received any information that the SDS2104X HD has been in transit.
Best regards
egonotto
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#24 Reply
Posted by
Martin72
on 26 Mar, 2024 20:47
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... and neither from Batterfly. It's not "not in stock", but entirely unlisted. So maybe we understood tautech's hint right after all, and this model is being discontinued? But strangely, siglenteu.com still lists it at 1880€ excl. VAT.
This indeed suggests that the 100Mhz are being sold off.
Does that make sense....
I don't understand the strategy behind it, but I don't have to.
Someone should let Welectron know that the prices have dropped for the 2104X HD - they still have some in stock, but at the old price.