Vintage to me is anything that was built before you were born or maybe existed when you were a young child. If the OP is in their 20s, vintage isn't that long ago.
If you're doing "vintage", why not do something interesting like a PDP-11?
https://opencores.org/project,w11
It's pretty tough to stop this thread from oscillating when the original topic seemed to be 'vintage' and then Berkeley Sockets comes up.
It's pretty tough to stop this thread from oscillating when the original topic seemed to be 'vintage' and then Berkeley Sockets comes up.
I think you will find this thread was 100% socket free until you mentioned it?
I'm starting to like that PDP-11/70 project...
The introduction of the IBM PC in 1980 pretty much wiped out the idea of 'personal computing' and started 'just commercial computing'. Anybody could run an IBM PC
The introduction of the IBM PC in 1980 pretty much wiped out the idea of 'personal computing' and started 'just commercial computing'. Anybody could run an IBM PCAnything from the 1980's is now 'vintage'.
It's pretty tough to stop this thread from oscillating when the original topic seemed to be 'vintage' and then Berkeley Sockets comes up.
The other reason the PC became so popular is that it was incredibly easy to reproduce.
How many of you geezers feel old now?!?
For my experiment environment it is almost entirely legacy free (No PS/2, no VGA, no RS232) so I cannot even use true vintage designs (or I won’t be able to even write the disks for or communicate with the old machine from my usual workstation.)
I cannot even reuse the display of my computer with the adapter chips as there is no way a vintage computer can drive a 4K 2160p60 monitor.
The number one thing I remember from that era was that the older x86 family of chips had an unbelievable number of workarounds for this or that that needed to be incorporated into code (and of course the tools that exist today were absent)
the kludges made the early intel x86 platform quite painful to use compared to say the motorola 68000.
How many of you geezers feel old now?!?For my experiment environment it is almost entirely legacy free (No PS/2, no VGA, no RS232) so I cannot even use true vintage designs (or I won’t be able to even write the disks for or communicate with the old machine from my usual workstation.)
I cannot even reuse the display of my computer with the adapter chips as there is no way a vintage computer can drive a 4K 2160p60 monitor.
How many of you geezers feel old now?!?For my experiment environment it is almost entirely legacy free (No PS/2, no VGA, no RS232) so I cannot even use true vintage designs (or I won’t be able to even write the disks for or communicate with the old machine from my usual workstation.)
I cannot even reuse the display of my computer with the adapter chips as there is no way a vintage computer can drive a 4K 2160p60 monitor.I don't feel like a geezer yet, but I am getting up there. I've experienced most of these CPU's the first time around as a Computer Science student and professional, so I don't feel any great urge to recreate them myself.
PS/2 and VGA didn't exist in the vintage era you're trying to replicate, so why would you need them now? RS232 was, and it's easily adapted to USB with a cheap adapter cable. Which means you can use any modern computer as a serial terminal, which includes most smartphones. If you want emulations of VT100 terminals or the like, those exist. In any case, that gives you the sort of interface you ACTUALLY HAD back in the day. (Well, it might have been an even older paper terminal TTY with paper tape reader/writer setup, but unless you actually own that antique you can forget that.)
If you're truly vintage, all the computer itself will have is idiot lights, toggle switches, and UART or RS232 port. Part of the experience, if you aren't old enough to have lived it, is being able to stop the computer clock, single-step programs, and modify memory locations using nothing but the lights and toggle switchs on the computer panel.
Quoteis static CMOS so there is no minimum clock rate.This is also true of the current CMOS Z80 chips (Z84c00) (and I think of a lot of the more recent CMOS versions of most "classic" chips, like the 80c88 you can get from Intersil (sticker shock!), the 80c18x (might be an interesting choice; has some built-in features that make systems easier to build, but will still run MSDOS), etc)
I always found 6502/6510 to be pretty easy, in fact in college they used 6502 to teach us assembly. I was doing x86 assembly by that point.
I always found 6502/6510 to be pretty easy, in fact in college they used 6502 to teach us assembly. I was doing x86 assembly by that point.My school had 8086 real mode assembly and later ARM9.
Is ARM9 anywhere near vintage?