also it need remember 1kZ is today least partially obsolete so why compete with already obsolete instrument?.
No, not direct, they did not drop FFT to Rigol level...
Imho, it is NOT made for competite with Rigol DS1000Z.
also it need remember 1kZ is today least partially obsolete so why compete with already obsolete instrument?.man you keep throwing troll like that. the other "was" thread, you trolled (maybe unintentionally) that 1kZ has (sounds like) crap FFT. here again i archived it in my reply in that other thread...No, not direct, they did not drop FFT to Rigol level...
just to be clear, if you want this FFT buzz, just buy a proper Spectrum Analyzer, those 1Mpts DSPed scope will become obsolete quick.
just to be clear, if you want this FFT buzz, just buy a proper Spectrum Analyzer, those 1Mpts DSPed scope will become obsolete quick.No. Because a spectrum analyser doesn't go to near DC frequencies. Also the frequency resolution of 1Mpts FFT will beat a spectrum analyser hands down at low frequencies.
just to be clear, if you want this FFT buzz, just buy a proper Spectrum Analyzer, those 1Mpts DSPed scope will become obsolete quick.No. Because a spectrum analyser doesn't go to near DC frequencies. Also the frequency resolution of 1Mpts FFT will beat a spectrum analyser hands down at low frequencies.
Where these low-end 'scopes fall down is in their analytical abilities. eg. Here's a scope showing a table of peaks in the signal, with frequency and amplitude. This is way more informative than a picture with wiggly lines in it.
(sorry it's a bit out of focus - it's from a youtube video)
The manufacturers deliberately don't put this stuff in the low end 'scopes. They leave you to mess around with on-screen cursors, etc.
just to be clear, if you want this FFT buzz, just buy a proper Spectrum Analyzer, those 1Mpts DSPed scope will become obsolete quick.No. Because a spectrum analyser doesn't go to near DC frequencies. Also the frequency resolution of 1Mpts FFT will beat a spectrum analyser hands down at low frequencies.
Where these low-end 'scopes fall down is in their analytical abilities. eg. Here's a scope showing a table of peaks in the signal, with frequency and amplitude. This is way more informative than a picture with wiggly lines in it.
ps: those who are not aware the deeper details of FFT yet, we cant just use all 17Mpts and expect to get 8.5Mpts FFT, it will take ages to compute O(N^2) of simple "any size" FFT algorithm, we'll need O(N.log(N)) such as DIT or KISS FFT, but that need only of size N=2^y (y must be integer) so your 17Mpts must be downgraded to maybe like 10Mpts data in time domain, hence you'll only get 5Mpts FFT. with 24Mpts data, it will downgraded to 20Mpts, hence we can have 10Mpts FFT (50Hz bin instead of 100Hz bin in 5Mpts FFT). fwiw.
What, like this?
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Is that from the 1000X series? All the 1000X manual has to say about FFT measurement is this:
just to be clear, if you want this FFT buzz, just buy a proper Spectrum Analyzer, those 1Mpts DSPed scope will become obsolete quick.No. Because a spectrum analyser doesn't go to near DC frequencies. Also the frequency resolution of 1Mpts FFT will beat a spectrum analyser hands down at low frequencies.whats the point if it can have leakage in 500Hz bin? anyway, 1Mpts FFT is not something unsolvable in 1kZ+PC. whats no working solution so far (afaik) is 10Mpts FFT Siglent DSO (even +PC). ps: those who are not aware the deeper details of FFT yet, we cant just use all 17Mpts and expect to get 8.5Mpts FFT, it will take ages to compute O(N^2) of simple "any size" FFT algorithm, we'll need O(N.log(N)) such as DIT or KISS FFT, but that need only of size N=2^y (y must be integer) so your 17Mpts must be downgraded to maybe like 10Mpts data in time domain, hence you'll only get 5Mpts FFT. with 24Mpts data, it will downgraded to 20Mpts, hence we can have 10Mpts FFT (50Hz bin instead of 100Hz bin in 5Mpts FFT). fwiw.
This is from 1000X-E/X-U manual. Just tiny sample.
Of course there is markers and table and so on.
But if you read 1000X series manual... its your problem.
And if you just paste plots from LTSpice, you don't need scope at all...
Stop trolling about what analysis you can do on PC in a topic about oscilloscopes.
Did you know Rigol DS1054Z can also fly?
And if you just paste plots from LTSpice, you don't need scope at all...
Stop trolling about what analysis you can do on PC in a topic about oscilloscopes.
Did you know Rigol DS1054Z can also fly?thinking about it... you are right! the decision to put ethernet port in Siglent tools is just nonsensical.
And if you just paste plots from LTSpice, you don't need scope at all...
Stop trolling about what analysis you can do on PC in a topic about oscilloscopes.
Did you know Rigol DS1054Z can also fly?thinking about it... you are right! the decision to put ethernet connectivity (and errr, USB port too) in Siglent tools is just nonsensical. lets just use it as is, can i suggest built-in DMM? and Quake too?
now to be clear, i dont care if you like Siglent or Rigol. but when i smell competite Rigol fanboyism thing, i will tease them with my VisaDSO SW capture (long FFT display), there are other diy SWs as well out there in Linux etc, the point is, people made it for Rigol. what i wonder after this long, why nobody come up with diy SW for Siglent? i did see programming manual for the other older series, but since nobody proved it afaik, i conclude it as broken, and i dont own one to try. if someone can come up with even a simplest SW that merely can download all DSO data points to PC with source code example as our guideline, i will give Siglent a thumbs up. but until then, dont call other competites as obsolete DSO. "modern" is about "connectivity", IoT is modern because it can connect to something else, like 5G and smartphones, similar to if DSO can connect to PC for programming and analysis etc not available built-in scope. if something cannot connect, lets call it obsolete . i'm not into brand bashing here, but if its really worth it, prove it. here, another screen captures for your Siglent's pet hates, someone can call it lie, but can we make such as "lie" in Siglent scope? its just for an aesthetics show off, more like an "art" not really can help anything technically cheers friend.
now to be clear, i dont care if you like Siglent or Rigol. but when i smell competite Rigol fanboyism thing, i will tease them with my VisaDSO SW capture (long FFT display), there are other diy SWs as well out there in Linux etc, the point is, people made it for Rigol. what i wonder after this long, why nobody come up with diy SW for Siglent? i did see programming manual for the other older series, but since nobody proved it afaik, i conclude it as broken, and i dont own one to try. if someone can come up with even a simplest SW that merely can download all DSO data points to PC with source code example as our guideline, i will give Siglent a thumbs up. but until then, dont call other competites as obsolete DSO. "modern" is about "connectivity", IoT is modern because it can connect to something else, like 5G and smartphones, similar to if DSO can connect to PC for programming and analysis etc not available built-in scope. if something cannot connect, lets call it obsolete . i'm not into brand bashing here, but if its really worth it, prove it. here, another screen captures for your Siglent's pet hates, someone can call it lie, but can we make such as "lie" in Siglent scope? its just for an aesthetics show off, more like an "art" not really can help anything technically cheers friend.
I hacked my own into the sds2104x plus by putting samba on it to get files as well as ssh so i didnt have to bother over serial / scpi / ext usb only... its annoying linux scopes being released now still dont have such basic functions on the low end when it doesnt take much to run them.. i mean use it as simply as collecting triggered data most of the time in an automated manner via scripts and not invoking the webserver either but its a hell of a lot easier to do some stuff over the full shell so why not use bash to begin with... maybe that will change in another decade.. till then they are open just enough to go do whatever you want to customize
Did you document and share what you did (what steps are needed to install Samba on it) somewhere? For non Linux gurus..?
now to be clear, i dont care if you like Siglent or Rigol. but when i smell competite Rigol fanboyism thing, i will tease them with my VisaDSO SW capture (long FFT display), there are other diy SWs as well out there in Linux etc, the point is, people made it for Rigol. what i wonder after this long, why nobody come up with diy SW for Siglent? i did see programming manual for the other older series, but since nobody proved it afaik, i conclude it as broken, and i dont own one to try. if someone can come up with even a simplest SW that merely can download all DSO data points to PC with source code example as our guideline, i will give Siglent a thumbs up. but until then, dont call other competites as obsolete DSO. "modern" is about "connectivity", IoT is modern because it can connect to something else, like 5G and smartphones, similar to if DSO can connect to PC for programming and analysis etc not available built-in scope. if something cannot connect, lets call it obsolete . i'm not into brand bashing here, but if its really worth it, prove it. here, another screen captures for your Siglent's pet hates, someone can call it lie, but can we make such as "lie" in Siglent scope? its just for an aesthetics show off, more like an "art" not really can help anything technically cheers friend.
I hacked my own into the sds2104x plus by putting samba on it to get files as well as ssh so i didnt have to bother over serial / scpi / ext usb only... its annoying linux scopes being released now still dont have such basic functions on the low end when it doesnt take much to run them.. i mean use it as simply as collecting triggered data most of the time in an automated manner via scripts and not invoking the webserver either but its a hell of a lot easier to do some stuff over the full shell so why not use bash to begin with... maybe that will change in another decade.. till then they are open just enough to go do whatever you want to customize
Not being able to map network drive is my favorite pet peeve on all of those embedded scopes. I'm looking at you Keysight !! Especially that with 3000T they went trough pains to print to network printer... Who uses that anymore... Sheesh... Please, make it connect to windows shares, please.
Did you document and share what you did (what steps are needed to install Samba on it) somewhere? For non Linux gurus..?
Did you document and share what you did (what steps are needed to install Samba on it) somewhere? For non Linux gurus..?
If Elasia creates the script I can pack it in an .ADS.
Did you document and share what you did (what steps are needed to install Samba on it) somewhere? For non Linux gurus..?
If Elasia creates the script I can pack it in an .ADS.
I swear you were standing behind me creeping...
Apparently one is on the way to me. Wioll be interesting to see how stripped down the design is compared to the existing model.
Comparison (from Siglent)