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Think you are missing the point, noting in or on the loaned cable is illegal.
If you you used that driver for windows that changes the VID/PID, them you would be returning a cable that no longer works and are responsible for the damage!
FTDI is between a rock and a hard place. They have no right to change the VID/PID while the cable is on loan to you and if you allow this change to happen then you broke the cable.
You were using the cable, not me so as long as the cable is plain with no USB logo or FTDI logo then the damage is totally on you.
Re-programing the VID/PID is not something the driver is suppose to do!
Adding any communications over USB in the attempt to find counterfeits could be viewed as malice, causing harm or damage as the previous versions of the driver did not have this extra communications.
I see only one option for FTDI and that is a new VID/PID pair where FTDI clearly state that they will be doing counterfeit checks above what USB requires between the driver and their chip for the new VID/PID pair.
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>> The driver is copyrighted and trademarked and abusing the not illegal to abuse PID/VID system to trick a driver
Yeah, the compatible and clone counterfeit chip maker are bad boys for letting you, the windows user in a gray area when using the official FTDI driver.
It's not nice, but not illegal. It's the point of a compatible to be compatible.
The EULA is not agreed by most people using recent windows, there is no EULA on th FOSS driver, so most people did not agree to respect anything in the EULA.
I applaud FTDI. Sod the people that buy cheap knock-offs. If you want to buy clones then you deserve to get it bricked.
I applaud FTDI. Sod the people that buy cheap knock-offs. If you want to buy clones then you deserve to get it bricked.
I applaud FTDI. Sod the people that buy cheap knock-offs. If you want to buy clones then you deserve to get it bricked.Might want to read the entire topic before posting something that has been posted and replied to hundreds of times already.
Throw it in the bin, along with FTDI themselves.
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Sod the people that buy cheap knock-offs. If you want to buy clones then you deserve to get it bricked.
I applaud FTDI. Sod the people that buy cheap knock-offs. If you want to buy clones then you deserve to get it bricked.Might want to read the entire topic before posting something that has been posted and replied to hundreds of times already.
I have read, and added my opinion...
FTDI devices are crap, overpriced, and produced by a company clearly run by a bunch of retards. It's a sad day when it's cheaper to use a whole separate Atmel device, AND foot the cost of having it programmed to basically do what the FTDI chip did - screw them, leave the FTDI bottom feeders in here to keep using their overpriced products, while the people with brains use devices from companies who actually care about the end users. Destroying hardware is not OK, no matter how you try and twist the story to make it look OK. Fine, most people here can probably figure out a workaround, but the other 95%? Nope, as far as they're concerned the hardware is fucked. Throw it in the bin, along with FTDI themselves.
In most civilised countries laws are organized in a way that the number of victims of a criminal act are minimised and therefore what FTDI did is illegal in dozens of countries.
Still your opinion is wrong in so many ways. In most civilised countries laws are organized in a way that the number of victims of a criminal act are minimised and therefore what FTDI did is illegal in dozens of countries.
1. They are not crap. If you are concerned about compatibility, FTDI devices are the first choice. If fake fail on you, this is not FTDI fault.
2. Atmel device still needs a USB stack and driver.
Of those 15 devices, a whopping 9 proved to be contain FTDI chips (all of which were FT232R).
I'm pleased to announce that each of those 9 devices has now been 'consigned to the bin', but not before I had some fun.
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If you need it explaining http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_off_the_nose_to_spite_the_face
Where are those USB to serial modules available from? I might get a few just in case a friend finds themselves in an FTDI type problem.
QuoteStill your opinion is wrong in so many ways. In most civilised countries laws are organized in a way that the number of victims of a criminal act are minimised and therefore what FTDI did is illegal in dozens of countries.
I had almost that exact quote in my copy buffer before I read dannyfs reply.
If it is so obviously illegal then the appropriate law would have something to identify it, like a name or number.
Sec. 28.03. CRIMINAL MISCHIEF. (a) A person commits an offense if, without the effective consent of the owner:(1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner;(2) he intentionally or knowingly tampers with the tangible property of the owner and causes pecuniary loss or substantial inconvenience to the owner or a third person;
So if you produce a clone product without reverse engineering and then either don't brand it, or, put your own brand on it everything is fine and dandy.Has such a chip ever been found in the wild?
Not that I have seen. I do have an unlabelled chip at home but its something entirely different and nothing to do with the discussion other than it prompted me to ask the question you have quoted above.
I am not a lawyer nor live in the US but they have the same kind of laws if I google superficially:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.28.htmQuoteSec. 28.03. CRIMINAL MISCHIEF. (a) A person commits an offense if, without the effective consent of the owner:(1) he intentionally or knowingly damages or destroys the tangible property of the owner;(2) he intentionally or knowingly tampers with the tangible property of the owner and causes pecuniary loss or substantial inconvenience to the owner or a third person;
The Dutch criminal law says 2 years in jail or a 20k euro fine if you render something which isn't yours useless:
http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0001854/volledig/geldigheidsdatum_29-10-2014#TweedeBoek_TitelXXVII_Artikel350
I've had so many fail from simple EMI issues ON BOARD in commercial products it's not funny, and before you blame bad PCB design, the EMI was through the USB cable. It's entirely FTDI's fault, there are much better alternatives out there.