Hi all,
I've been working through a dead HP3458A I recently acquired and I'd really appreciate a sanity check from people who've seen similar failure, before I spend money on a replacement A3 board or NU180 alternative solution.
I've done a fairly thorough top-down trace of the A/D and everything points at the U180 hybrid — but I want to be sure.
The instrument- HP3458A, series 2823A, build 1997
- A3 (A/D) board:
03458-66503 Rev D (U210 is the original Fujitsu MB651314, U180 is the HP 1SJ8-0108 hybrid)
- A5 outguard controller:
03458-66505 Rev C (single EPROM version), software revision 9.2
- Calibration Dallas DS1220Y memory is intact (battery still OK regardless almost 30 years old)
Symptoms / errorsThe
meter never produces a reading — it halts on the errors.
At power-up:
- ERR 202 — HARDWARE FAILURE: SLAVE TEST: CONVERGENCE
- ERR 110 — CALIBRATION REQUIRED: ACAL
On ACAL DC:
- ERR 209 — HARDWARE FAILURE: TIMEOUT: UNABLE TO READ A/D 61
- ERR 210 — HW FAILURE: CALIBRATION REQUIRED
- ERR 101 — CALIBRATION ERROR
- ERR 114 — SYSTEM ERROR: balanced rundown convergence
ACAL AC and ACAL OHM also fail.
The key observation I made:The rundown is single-slope. The integrator (TP112) charges up, runs down as one straight ramp, the main comparator U142 EL2018CN (TP142) trips once at the zero crossing, and then nothing — the sequence never ping-pongs through the multislope steps, so it times out as non-convergence. This is unchanged when zoomed to 2 µs/div and unchanged at NPLC 100.

3-ch capture: CH1=TP112 (integrator), CH3=TP140 (slope amp), CH2=TP142 (comparator). Single integrate, single rundown slope, one comparator edge at zero crossing.

wider view: clean single slope, no slope reversals / no staircase, timeout at the end

schematic diagram with highlighted measuring points

my A3 board
What I've verified GOOD (top-side, in circuit)-
Inguard & outguard power supplies — all rails in spec (+18.6 / −18.6 / +5.0 V etc.)
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Integrator (U110/U111/U112, TP112) — ramps cleanly
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Slope amp (U140, TP140) — follows integrator
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Main comparator U142 (EL2018, TP142) — toggles cleanly, correct edge at zero crossing
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Minor-slope drivers U150 (74HCT14) — XS64 verified toggling pin 13 → pin 12 during rundown
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Clocks into U210 — CK20 = 20 MHz, CK10 = 10 MHz, both clean (U230 + U131 OK)
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U210 is alive — it communicates with A5; unplugging either optical link gives ISOLATOR FAULT, so the gate array core is running
What looks WRONG1) ADC references are off and non-proportional (measured at the LT1001 outputs):
- +12ref (TP160) =
+12.367 V- −12ref (TP165) =
−12.714 V- +5ref (TP151) =
+5.501 VSwapping temporarily U165 (LT1001) for an OP07
did not change these — so the LT1001 buffers aren't the cause. My understanding (from xDevs write-ups) is that the reference ratio-setting resistor network is
inside U180, and degraded internal resistors skew exactly these voltages. Is that deviation outside spec / diagnostic of a
bad U180?2) The slope-steering command reaches U180 — but U180 doesn't act on it.During the rundown the minor-slope drivers U150 (74HCT14) are toggling (XS64, pin 13 → pin 12), so U210
is issuing the slope-change commands and they
are arriving at U180's steering inputs. Despite that, the integrator (TP112) produces a single uninterrupted ramp — the reference currents are never actually switched. So the digital steering command is present at U180, but the multislope response is absent. That should localize the break to the current-steering switches
inside U180, not to a silent/dead U210.
3) Interpolator never starts — but I believe this is a
consequence, not the cause:
- RAMP (U404 output, TP405) sits static at 0 V
- HTRIG (U405 output, TP406) sits static at ~0.1 V
- Traced back: LRAMP into U400A is stuck high (5 V) — i.e. U210 never issues the "start ramp" command. Since LRAMP fires
only at the end of a completed multislope sequence, this is consistent with the rundown stalling after the first slope.
My conclusion (please critique) Two independent symptoms point at
U180:
(a) the skewed, non-proportional references — which U210 has nothing to do with, and which I understand are set by the resistor network
inside U180
(b) the single-slope rundown — and critically, U180 fails to steer even though the steering command demonstrably reaches it (see U150 toggling above). U210 looks alive (comms, clocks, talks to A5), so the non-response points at U180's switches.
Rather than hunt for a scarce ~$2000 A3, I'd like to go the
NU180 route, since it replaces exactly the two things I suspect — the precision resistor array (my skewed references)
and the current-steering switches (my single slope). I am watching evolution of NU180 project here on eevblog forum.
My questions1. Does this set of measurements really point at U180, or am I missing a test that would implicate U210 (or something else) instead?
2. Is the reference deviation above (+12.367 / −12.714 / +5.501) actually out of spec and a recognized U180 signature, or is it within normal range (or can be adjusted by successful ACAL) and a red herring?
3. Is there any
non-destructive measurement (without probing signals at the bottom of fine QFP/hybrid pins) that would definitively separate U180 from U210 before I commit to removing U180?
4. NU180 fit for my failure mode: the project mostly describes
drift; mine is a hard
single-slope / no-convergence with the ERR 114. Is a "complete failure + skewed references" case like mine a good NU180 candidate, i.e. should fitting NU180 restore both the references and convergence? Has anyone resurrected a
non-convergence unit (not just a drifty one) with it?
Thanks in advance — I've tried to do the legwork rather than just ask "which board do I buy," and any expert steer, before I move to more complicated and costly exercise, would be hugely appreciated.
Thank you.
Vladimir