Looking for PAL/GAL Dev Tools

[marcopolo]

Hi,

I'm looking for a compilation/simulation software for the PAL & GAL I have at home (a lot of 16R6, 20R4,20R8,22V10,26CV12 and 20X10)
and if I can use the same software for ALTERA MAX5000/7000 and AMD MACH1/MACH2, it would be perfect 

Operating system: From Windows 95 to 7
I'm open to ABEL,CUPL,Verilog, ... but not VHDL

I checked MachXL 6.0 & 6.2 documentation : PAL20X10 not supported
I tried the PLD module from Protel99 under XP, not very stable and strange behavior
Old Orcad had a PLD module but I think it supported only VHDL.
DOS PalAsm: No thanks 

Thanks for your help.
Marc

[PCB.Wiz]

Hi,

I'm looking for a compilation/simulation software for the PAL & GAL I have at home (a lot of 16R6, 20R4,20R8,22V10,26CV12 and 20X10)
and if I can use the same software for ALTERA MAX5000/7000 and AMD MACH1/MACH2, it would be perfect 

Operating system: From Windows 95 to 7
I'm open to ABEL,CUPL,Verilog, ... but not VHDL

I checked MachXL 6.0 & 6.2 documentation : PAL20X10 not supported
I tried the PLD module from Protel99 under XP, not very stable and strange behavior

You can still download WinCUPL, the Atmel-focused version.

http://www.microchip.com/design-centers/programmable-logic/spld-cpld/tools/software/wincupl
- but that will not support the stranger parts - you are best to bin those. 
ATF22V10 is fine, and ATF1502ASL / ATF1502BE will swallow those other SPLDs (in a modern Icc/Vcc/Package).

If you want more portable, there is also MyHDL ?

Verilog is probably the best looking forward, and there are some 'open FPGA efforts' around lattice FPGAs ?  eg https://github.com/cliffordwolf

[marcopolo]

- but that will not support the stranger parts - you are best to bin those. 

You think I'd better throw them away but I like to use old SPLD/CPLD/FPGA and I have more than 1000 PAL at home, so no way 

[PCB.Wiz]

- but that will not support the stranger parts - you are best to bin those. 

You think I'd better throw them away but I like to use old SPLD/CPLD/FPGA and I have more than 1000 PAL at home, so no way 

Then good luck on your quest....

An alternative approach, if you have lots of spare time, is to make your own back-end to the tools.
CUPL compiles to a Berkley PLA file IIRC, and the Atmel ATF15xx fitters use that, to create the fuse-maps.

You made the 20X10 bold, so I guess that one is a focus item - is that OTP, or EE based  ? I presume you have a working programmer for that device ?
It may be possible to merge/massage a 22V10 fuse info file, with whatever makes that 20X10 different ?

or, there are better 22V10, that used to come from ICT, and google finds
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-40469.html

and the last post there in 2017, has a link that looks still alive to ICT PLACE

[marcopolo]

Yes PAL20X10 is a focus item. It's an OTP Registered PAL with a XOR before the Flip-Flop.
I have 2 programmers for them (Elnec BeeProg+ and Data I/O Unisite)

I checked today Vantis Design Direct: 20X10 not supported 

[TK]

It looks like PALASM supports PAL20X10... you can run it under DOSBOX.  I recently used it to enable IBASIC option an old HP Vector Network Analyzer (HP 8714B). 

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/how-to-activate-ibasic-on-vintage-hp-871xb-network-analyzers/msg1251274/#msg1251274

[romhunter]

It looks like PALASM supports PAL20X10... you can run it under DOSBOX.  I recently used it to enable IBASIC option an old HP Vector Network Analyzer (HP 8714B). 

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/how-to-activate-ibasic-on-vintage-hp-871xb-network-analyzers/msg1251274/#msg1251274

May I ask what did you use to program those PAL/GAL? The programmer and the program you use to load it?

[TK]

I used the MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer